Two Restorations At Once

[astjp2]

Jon, go ahead and post your build on the model area for each airplane in the tech section, others will be able to use your examples for their projects. Also let me know when you will need new gas tank valves, I make an owner produced replacement. Tim

[Hank Jarrett]

OK, all the anti Face Book guys don't go ballistic, why not just set up a FB page just for your projects? You can set it up so if someone wants to add to your page they go to YOUR page and only you can move it to your Taylorcraft FB. Keeps a nice clean project record. I know there are other places that are probably even better than FB, but FB IS really easy to set up and use. You can always move the whole thing to your own web page later. About the best web pages I have seen is the ones set up at https://c-fclr.blogspot.com/ and Robert Lees page at https://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/ Wish I knew enough about web pages to set up one like those!

Hank

[astjp2]

OK, all the anti Face Book guys don't go ballistic, why not just set up a FB page just for your projects? You can set it up so if someone wants to add to your page they go to YOUR page and only you can move it to your Taylorcraft FB. Keeps a nice clean project record. I know there are other places that are probably even better than FB, but FB IS really easy to set up and use. You can always move the whole thing to your own web page later. About the best web pages I have seen is the ones set up at https://c-fclr.blogspot.com/ and Robert Lees page at https://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/ Wish I knew enough about web pages to set up one like those!

Hank

Well if everyone goes to facebook, why not shut down the form and I will go talk about jeeps and mopars on their forums. Facebook is like a disease...that I personally do not want to catch. Too many advertisements and too much data mining.

[Hank Jarrett]

I am pretty sure that "most" of us have accounts in BOTH places. Honestly, I check here first. I also post a lot of what I post here on FB for those who for some reason don't like the Forum. Each to their own, but I want BOTH sites to be available. The cross pollination is good for all of us. Several times I have re-posted information that I saw on FB back to here especially if it was put in by someone I knew wasn't a Tribe member. I have even taken things I was on other groups, especially if our planes share an engine where the information would be useful.

I wouldn't loose any sleep Tim, There are WAY more people who won't use FB than who won't come here, but I don't want to loose anyone.

Hank

I DO resent the data mining, REALLY NASTY political arguments and advertisements on FB, but if that is what it takes to stay in touch I put up with it. I REALLY like it that the Tribe members seem to like each other without bringing politics into the conversations! Politics has no place here unless someone in D.C. tries to take our flying rights away.

[CaptainJon]

Thanks Tim and Hank! I’ll have to feel it out as I progress..... Don’t know if I have the time to devote FB to do something like Rob’s beautiful page, or like my old “Captain Jon’ s Taylorcraft Hangar” page, as you might remember Hank. It’s all good, and any enthusiasm or knowledge I can pass on, the better.......

Thanks for the fuel valve offer Tim. I may take you up on that when I get to the fuel system.....

Today’s question, can an instrument panel be powder coated with a black “crinkle coat” finish without warping the panel?

Cheers,

Jon

[astjp2]

Thanks Tim and Hank! I’ll have to feel it out as I progress..... Don’t know if I have the time to devote FB to do something like Rob’s beautiful page, or like my old “Captain Jon’ s Taylorcraft Hangar” page, as you might remember Hank. It’s all good, and any enthusiasm or knowledge I can pass on, the better.......

Thanks for the fuel valve offer Tim. I may take you up on that when I get to the fuel system.....

Today’s question, can an instrument panel be powder coated with a black “crinkle coat” finish without warping the panel?

Cheers,

Jon

Yes it can, 250 is what they typically bake at.

[CaptainJon]

Thanks Tim,

I assume they can do a crinkle finish perhaps? I will go there later in the week with some parts .............

Cheers,

Jon

[astjp2]

Take a sample of 3003h14 if you are worried

[CaptainJon]

One week progress update

First week with Terri T-Craft.

Working on cleaning up hangar and shelves
Major finds on shelves
Two bags of new stainless steel control cables labeled, "New rudder cables 2004" and "New aileron cables 2004"
Box of neatly packed new "Owner produced" glove box doors with hinges and springs--thank you Larry Haas
5 yellow tagged, freshly chromed C85 cylinders left over from trestore.biz
3 new Taylorcraft logo decals, set of bungee covers, windshield post cable covers, landing gear safety cables, air intake fairing all from the factory-thank you Dorothy Ferris
1 yellow tagged C85 starter with gears, new C85 oil pump gears and cover plate
new set of bungee covers, windshield post cable covers, landing gear safety cables, air intake fairing from the factory-thanks again Dorothy
Worked on putting away Terri parts and pieces and assessing just what I have bought
Good finds
newly fabricated wooden floor boards for front seat area and baggage compartment
Rochester barrel gauge on new Univair built nose tank right wing ribs all cleaned up, present and accounted for, ready for primer
rear window frames cleaned and ready for further work
H-frame reconditioned through gloss black paint
all instruments 2017 yellow tagged
19 1/2 foot box of 5 sitka spruce spar blanks
required welding and epoxy painting completed on fuselage
clean looking Mc Cauley metal prop
spare C85-12 crankshaft, yellow tagged in 1987, but preserved in cosmoline paper wrap
C85-12 on engine mount, turns by hand.... not seized
new seat sling
new windshield
Not so good finds
rust pitting on right landing gear legs
no exhaust system (supposed to be shipped)
non inspected and non-sealed struts
ratty baggage compartment sides
altered (butchered) instrument panel
no tires
pitted steel linings on Cleveland brake inner wheel halves
altered door windows
no left lift handle and right handle welded at wrong angle on lower longeron
Assessed baggage compartment and working on a decision of materials for sides and floor
Assembled vertical stab and rudder to fuselage
Assessed condition of tail feathers
Mounted fuselage on dolly and tailwheel to allow for movement in shop
Brought 5 cylinders to shop for updated inspection and certification
Bought blasting cabinet for parts restoration
Started list for Aircraft Spruce order of skylight and side window tinted acrylic and plywood for baggage compartment
Researched available covering methods, pretty much decided on the Stewart process
Solicited neighbors for help on project
Developed plan for engines rebuilding

So, all and all a good first week with Terri!

Next, further cleanup of hangar and shelves and assessment of Tami's right wing available parts and available parts for her C85.

ISSUES WORKING ON- Finding a repair station for right gear or someone who can build a new one
Deciding on baggage compartment and interior trim materials
Making elevator cables for Tami, then a whole set of cables for Terri
Deciding on main color and trim for each plane in Stewart system colors

Cheers,
Jon

[3Dreaming]

I think some airplanes with only Right side handles, and I have seen them welded at 2 different angles. Typically pre war is up and post war is down.

[CaptainJon]

Thanks 3D

Looking at the 337 and in talking with the previous owner, appears much of the fuselage was replaced with new 4130, including the bottom longeron sections on each side where the lift handles would be placed. Chances are he didn't have another Model 19 to look at, or perhaps they did actually come out of Conway, PA with just one handle, welded horizontally.

I'll have to look at other pictures of Model 19's I have and see if I can figure it out..........

Cheers,
Jon

[Scott]

You can create a blog for free with Google ( blogspot.com). The app has issues but it generall works. Mine is there c-fclr.blogspot.com

re cleaning parts.... I bought a long 8" HVAC pipe( cheep raw material), flattened it and bent sides and ends to form a long tray to soak ribs etc. Soak in varsol or laquer thinner overnight to loosen up chafe tape, dope, varnish etc. Line the same tray with poly and you can use it to etch and conversion coat

I used 80 grit aluminium oxide in my media blaster. It's good for both ferris and non-ferris parts. Use paint stripper first though or you'll grow old be fore you finish. I don't like glass beads because they shatter into very tiny partials that get imbedded in your parts and skin eyes etc. Don't use sand as sit promotes corrosion.

re crinkle finish... I'm never clear on the fascination with powder coat. It's not a good choice for aircraft parts primarily because it has little or no flexibility, so it cracks and then is impossible to repair. For the instrument panel I etched and alodined and applied epoxy primer. Then four coats of crinkle paint from a spray can from the local auto parts store. Easy effective and durable.

[Ryan]

Anybody out there with another '51 Model 19? I see only 16 still on the FAA registry............ anyone know how many 19's were originally made? ...... guess I should read Chet's book again..... been a while.....

Cheers,

Jon

Not sure how many were made but not many. They were built in Conway Pa basically 2-3 at a time. Production of them ended and was replaced by the 15A in 1952. I t would make for a different restoration. Would have an instrument panel with a chrome bezel and Consolidair model 17 wheel pants/fenders with the step on them. There was on in a t hangar for many years in Mt Vernon OH but I don't what happened to it. Good luck with your projects! Our 15A was originally N6662N...

[Robert Lees]

I'm absolutely against using electro-static powder-coating on any aircraft parts. It's thick, heavy and more importantly soft (so that if the substrate underneath cracks, the coating might not, so you can't see a cracked part). It also doesn't get into the very acute angles of a steel-tube fuselage, leaving these areas very susceptible to corrosion.

For my crinkle-finished instrument panel, I used an automotive rattle-can. You prime the panel, then have to pre-heat the part (to about 200F as I recall). Spray the stuff on, and the residual heat of the part causes the crinkles.





Story here: https://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/Brey_rebuild2.htm (right at the bottom)

Rob

[CaptainJon]

Thanks for the tips Scott and Rob. Very nice panels, both of you!

I have the rattle can of crinkle. Think I'll try it on something non-critical, like Tami's old panel, before I give her new panel a try........

I am only contemplating powder coating a few things that get a lot of wear like steps, control wheel, door handles, and rudder pedals. I understand your concern Rob, about not being able to see developing issues underneath the coating.

Cheers,
Jon