Questions about "Miss Liberty"

[3Dreaming]

Re: Questions about "Miss Liberty"

Also when you shortened the rudder you didn't pull back the leading edge. It should come down to just in front of the leading edge of the horizontal, and not 4" forward. For the post war they added about 4" to the leading edge all the way to the top of the hinge line, and then kept the rudder area the same by shortening the cord.

[1938BF50]

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1938 Tail

[Hank Jarrett]

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My plane is a stock 41 Deluxe with no mods to the "Dalstrom" area (that funny little sheet metal thing that fairs in the leading edge of the fin). Does anyone have straight on photos of a non-Deluxe tail and door from 41? I never noticed a different door or tail on any of the 41s I have seen and am a little lost on the doors being "square". I HAVE seen one 41 that had post war doors on it and it looked kind of funny, but not sure that is what you are talking about. I thought there were only wood "Deluxe" doors or the tube and fabric ones originally around the war years.
Need to watch for modified planes too. Josh's plane was a 40 with a post war rear fuselage spliced on! Never noticed it from the outside till the fabric was off.
What year and model was Miss Liberty? Should it have the "Flipper" trim system? Can't see in the photos.
Hank

If Miss Liberty had tube and fabric doors I have those too if you need me to take a photo. You are going to have people wanting prints of these pictures!

[Hank Jarrett]

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Just noticed that 20407 also has the tail light in a different position! Mine has a tube covered over on the top of the fin where a fin top light could be mounted but doesn't look like anyone ever used it for a light. There may not be much difference between my tail and 20407. It may look different because there is no stab on in my picture.
Hank

[3Dreaming]

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Just noticed that 20407 also has the tail light in a different position! Mine has a tube covered over on the top of the fin where a fin top light could be mounted but doesn't look like anyone ever used it for a light. There may not be much difference between my tail and 20407. It may look different because there is no stab on in my picture.
Hank

Hank, the tails are the same minus the metal strip to hold the fabric down on your airplane.

[3Dreaming]

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Hank, the picture of Miss Liberty shows the trim flipper. The doors are the tube type. I think the airplane is an early 1940. When he changed his drawing he lowered the top of the fin, but did not move the lower leading edge back. Without the metal strip that the 41 deluxes used the fabric balloons out a little more, but not as much as the 46 and later airplanes.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Let me hunt down some (or take a few) pictures of the tube door and I will post them.
Hank

[3Dreaming]

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Hank, the tube doors are just like the ones my BL had. I don't have any digital pictures, but I can scan one from Vintage Airplane later. Tom

[Hank Jarrett]

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I have two uncovered tube doors in the hangar, but that is about 30 miles from here. For a painting (even electronic) I would think what he really needs is a square on photo of the door so he can paste the shape on the side of the plane. I had thought that Miss Liberty had wood doors like my 41 because I couldn't get enough resolution on my screen to tell they were tube in the photo. If anyone has a photo of a tube door taken from 90* to the door that would probably be exactly what he needs. The problem with most pictures is they are not taken from 90* to the surface and are distorted. Were there any 90* shots in the Vintage Airplane article?
Hank

Don't we have fun going over the minutia of Taylorcrafts! The guys who just fly them must just shake their heads at how we have fun. ;-)

[cvavon]

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will be a door like this my plain is only a few n numbers past this one my n is 26658 ser 2000

[3Dreaming]

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Going back and reading the post again and looking at the pictures again the window on the tube door should have square corners. The door shape looks good. Hank, your deluxe doors are correct for the deluxe.

[NC43501]

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Fantastic information guys, this really helps. Quick question though, is the window on the door squared truly (all four corners at 90 degrees) or does the window taper slightly towards the tail? I'm attaching a picture to clarify my question. After reading some of your posts, I redrew the window as a rectangle, and it looks good, but some of the photos I've seen now make it appear to taper slightly. This is very possibly just an optical illusion, but if not, it's easy to fix now before I post the newest version. Thanks again for all the help.

Ps. If anyone has any more photos of the Pace plane Ryan posted, I would love to get my hands on them! (Not to derail this thread on Miss Liberty, as I want to finish this one first)

[Ragwing nut]

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Fantastic information guys, this really helps. Quick question though, is the window on the door squared truly (all four corners at 90 degrees) or does the window taper slightly towards the tail? I'm attaching a picture to clarify my question. After reading some of your posts, I redrew the window as a rectangle, and it looks good, but some of the photos I've seen now make it appear to taper slightly. This is very possibly just an optical illusion, but if not, it's easy to fix now before I post the newest version. Thanks again for all the help.

Ps. If anyone has any more photos of the Pace plane Ryan posted, I would love to get my hands on them! (Not to derail this thread on Miss Liberty, as I want to finish this one first)

it will look tapered in a direct side shot.

[Ragwing nut]

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My plane is a stock 41 Deluxe with no mods to the "Dalstrom" area (that funny little sheet metal thing that fairs in the leading edge of the fin). Does anyone have straight on photos of a non-Deluxe tail and door from 41? I never noticed a different door or tail on any of the 41s I have seen and am a little lost on the doors being "square". I HAVE seen one 41 that had post war doors on it and it looked kind of funny, but not sure that is what you are talking about. I thought there were only wood "Deluxe" doors or the tube and fabric ones originally around the war years.
Need to watch for modified planes too. Josh's plane was a 40 with a post war rear fuselage spliced on! Never noticed it from the outside till the fabric was off.
What year and model was Miss Liberty? Should it have the "Flipper" trim system? Can't see in the photos.
Hank

If Miss Liberty had tube and fabric doors I have those too if you need me to take a photo. You are going to have people wanting prints of these pictures!

did the other post clear up what I meant on square corners (the window)? door shape is the same

[NC43501]

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Okay, here's the latest update:
1. Added squared door windows, slightly tapered
2. Added pre-war type door
3. Moved the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer back
4. Fixed step color (was black)
5. Added flipper trim
6. Added Blue pin stripe to leading edge of wing
7. Adjusted Red to closer represent "Old Glory Red"
8. Added pilot name on the door

I couldn't find a picture of the flipper trim, so if anyone is familiar with how it should look in profile, or where it should be placed, please advise. Where I placed it is just a wild guess, based on some pictures where I could just (barely) make it out, and all were at a bad angle for what I was trying to see.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really enjoying this process. Up until now, I've really not known a whole lot of details about models and years other than my own ('46 BC12-D). I've learned a ton of information I wouldn't have otherwise. When you spend hours staring at (and adjusting!) the lines on a drawing of a Taylorcraft like this, it really makes you realize how beautiful and unique they all are. I hope I can keep you guys interested after I finish this one, and move on to others.