WINDOW Pulls and on going restoration

[Jim Herpst]

Ok doors have been completely stripped inside and out. Had a new interior door panel made(old one had stress cracked in a corner) door handles for inside found(Mike Redpath thanks) and stripped . For interior door handles someone had fabricated a female collar to slip over orginal male mounting sleeve to enlarge it for some sort of early car door handles) . Then for more raping some ideot had drilled holes in the door panels THROUGH the doors to hold solid windows (thank God they did not drill through the interior frames). I decided not to reskin the doors as they were otherwise very straight and nice. Instead I used flush rivets in the holes and smoothed over with a dab of micro balloons. Before and after pictures attached.

Now onto making new sliding windows. I do have patterns for the metal edges that will mount to the new Plexiglas as wellI have patterns of old windows (Thanks Hank Jarrett)

WHAT I AM ASKING FOR FROM FELLOW TRIBE MEMBERS THAT HAVE 1946 BC12D ..PLEASE POST A PICTURE of your sliding window HANDLE. The prewar was different I THINK the March Builds used the same as the later 46 s which look like more of a arched chrome drawer pull attached with two screws. RYAN Newell your build date is close...ANYONE ?? Help thanks

[Ragwing nut]

prewar thru sometime in 45 have swingout windows.

[Jim Herpst]

Yes and its that sometime in 45 that I am unsure of the pulls they put on the slider. I know I have seen the pulls as described above on the 46s as I owned 94984 and have seen others that looked like the ones it had. That was several years ago. Would like a close up of those ....

Better YET ANY ONE HAVE AN EXTRA SET ? I sure would like to purchase. !

[Scott]

This is where I ended up

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Home depot.
I don't think I ever found a photo or drawing to nail down originality.

[Jim Herpst]

Scott,

That was my next step. I have seen similar over and over again BUT never nailed a verifiable original. Plain and simple is what we have.... about what they were working with back in the day as well I suppose.

[Robert Lees]

Mine is similar to Scott's, but without the hardware store handle:

[Jim Herpst]

Rob,

Interesting. Looks like the broader part of the frame was simply bent out 90 degrees to make a pull.

Any others ?

Jim

[Ragwing nut]

Rob,

Interesting. Looks like the broader part of the frame was simply bent out 90 degrees to make a pull.

Any others ?

Jim

That is what I have seen on most the ones I have had

[Jim Herpst]

Mike. Now we are getting somewhere. (At least a multiple siting deal) I wonder if that was a standard at some point? In all honesty it does seem a bit like it could be a knife at your side when the window is opened. More pics requested if possible tribe ?

[1938BF50]

You will have a hard time beating the comfort of a swing out window. It allows an armrest that gives the comfort of a dramatically widened the cockpit at arm level. Hard to beat for summer flying. Its quite easy to adapt a steel J-tubing door window frame to swing out. Mike

[1938BF50]

Jim, ignore my post if you want authenticity. Im way past authenticity. Now its all about comfort and safety.

[Jim Herpst]

Jim, ignore my post if you want authenticity. Im way past authenticity. Now its all about comfort and safety.

Yes, I get what you are saying. And yes safety is paramount. Here not sure I see any Safety issues between a swing out window (provided it is secure) and a slider.. although it does give me pause a little anyway to have an edge of metal facing my side (as in the frame of the window bent to form window handle) as apparently many have these..and probably zero issues have arisen as a result...yes the swing out windows are nice...I suppose yours is held on by a hinge at the top and a folding latch at the bottom? Sure would be nice to have it open completely! (Just not ripped off in flight!!!!)

[Robert Lees]

You will have a hard time beating the comfort of a swing out window. It allows an armrest that gives the comfort of a dramatically widened the cockpit at arm level. Hard to beat for summer flying. Its quite easy to adapt a steel J-tubing door window frame to swing out. Mike

Another advantage is that you can remove the thumscrew and carefully let the window out to waft in the slipstream like a Cub upper door.

But with sliding windows, you can let the aft window slide forward, so allowing a cooling breeze without forming headset wind noise (and also permitting a nice place to rest ones elbow!)

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I made the slider side windows with piper u channel at the bottom with felt, Home Depot handles and after all that work, in Arizona with the sides open I had to use my hands to direct air in. I ended up putting in 3 inch air vents in that work great.

[Jim Herpst]

After reading Roberts as well as Jerry's post s (thank you) I think I will sacrifice some originality and have the rear unit slide..(allowing for said elbow to stick out) not have the rear fixed as original and perhaps then put a vent in the front windows on each side. As far as original already the wife put her foot down and does not want me hand propping any more (she runs the FBO at the airport and is no stranger to that hazzard )so now that means a different engine (starter ONLY)and luscombe stacks which since a new cowl is being made makes now the time... So I will be joining the list of folks with a A65s for sale. ...sniffle..That I kinda do regret as it is original numbers matching to the data plate and the one I flew behind with my dad for many hours.