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  • So what do you think about BIG wing tanks?

    Big tanks for the wings, something like a cub would have...18 gallons per side or there abouts? I am acquiring some piper tanks to see how the fit in the wings between the ribs...just something I am pondering. Tim
    N29787
    '41 BC12-65

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    Re: So what do you think about...????

    Depends on what engine you are running? I have the 2 wing tanks on a 65 and has more endurance than I have, did 5 hours once. There was a 337 on the website for 2 six gallon tanks per side? The wires runing threw the tank would be something, will thay line up?
    Andrew Rozell
    N43697
    1946 BC12-D

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    • #3
      Re: So what do you think about...????

      I did that mod, the small tanks require the ribs to be shifted some to clear, I was thinking more along the lines of using the Cub system, rigid bar, not drag wires. Tim
      N29787
      '41 BC12-65

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      • #4
        Re: So what do you think about...????

        You guys need to get Hank in on this, the one time I met up with him he mentioned the double wing tank as 1 tank with just a small header tank for better weight and balance if I remember right.

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        • #5
          Re: So what do you think about...????

          Well since 6 gallon wing tanks are fairly scarce, I was thinking of doing the 18 gallon per side plus the 12 gallon header....Tim

          I like the idea of flying into somewhere and back without getting fuel....
          N29787
          '41 BC12-65

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          • #6
            Re: So what do you think about...????

            Originally posted by astjp2 View Post
            Well since 6 gallon wing tanks are fairly scarce, I was thinking of doing the 18 gallon per side plus the 12 gallon header....Tim

            I like the idea of flying into somewhere and back without getting fuel....
            Sounds like you could fly just about anywhere and back, but the problem would be finding airports long enough to get off the ground if you were using an A-65. You will need a big tank for Urine also. LOL
            Marvin Post TF 519

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            • #7
              Re: So what do you think about...????

              I brought 27599 back to WI from Alamosa, CO. in three non-stop 5hr legs, with all (3) tanks full at each days start. Five hours non-stop in nice Wx is enough for me. The five in mild turbulence on day three was misery.
              MIKE CUSHWAY
              1938 BF50 NC20407
              1940 BC NC27599
              TF#733

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              • #8
                Re: So what do you think about...????

                Originally posted by astjp2 View Post
                Big tanks for the wings,
                Some chap did this in Canada probably 20 years ago. I think on an L2. There were grainy photos in the Owners Club newsletter, pre-internet days, and I got Bruce Bixler (rest his merry soul) to contact the owner on my behalf.

                Said owner subsequently sent me photos of the installation. Lordy knows where those photos are now, but I'll have a look. This was a Canadian machine, so probably on their "Owner Maintenance" programme (similar to our UK "Permit to Fly" system).

                Tim, remind me in a few days. Dementia will set in otherwise.

                Rob

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                • #9
                  Re: So what do you think about...????

                  OK, I found the original TOC Newsletter entry, but I don't know where my colour photos are.

                  This newsletter entry is from June 1997 (so not quite the 20 years ago I was thinking). It applies to a TG-6 conversion to an L-2A as is apparent in the text.

                  Legal bit: Copyright notwithstanding, this is posted in good faith (I was a paid up member of the TOC back then).

                  Sensible bit: Do any of our Canadian Tribe know what became of this aircraft?

                  Rob
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                  • #10
                    Re: So what do you think about...????

                    The fine print looks like 10 gallon tanks. Aircraft is in the States, now: N68577, LOWE ROBERT E
                    BOX 16, JACKSONVILLE, OR 97530

                    Oops, take that back. It was deregistered in 1973 so that means it went to Canada then. Sorry.
                    Last edited by M Towsley; 04-24-2014, 12:48.
                    Cheers,
                    Marty


                    TF #596
                    1946 BC-12D N95258
                    Former owner of:
                    1946 BC-12D/N95275
                    1943 L-2B/N3113S

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                    • #11
                      Re: So what do you think about...????

                      Originally posted by M Towsley View Post
                      The fine print looks like 10 gallon tanks. Aircraft is in the States, now: N68577, LOWE ROBERT E
                      BOX 16, JACKSONVILLE, OR 97530

                      Oops, take that back. It was deregistered in 1973 so that means it went to Canada then. Sorry.
                      Gave me a shock, my dad taught Bob Lowe to fly in Ashland, Oregon long, long ago, as I remember is was a Tcraft, but don't remember the model, just remember the man Bob and how he loved that airplane, gary

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                      • #12
                        Re: So what do you think about...????

                        Originally posted by astjp2 View Post
                        Big tanks for the wings, something like a cub would have...18 gallons per side or there abouts? I am acquiring some piper tanks to see how the fit in the wings between the ribs...just something I am pondering. Tim
                        Tim, If you do go ahead with the idea come up with a different way of fixing the fabric to the tank area than was used in the F22 series ie clips which were fixed from the tank to the fabric as over time ( not long! ) the vibration caused the clips to cause leaks in the tanks and major surgery as the tanks also had metal stringers running through them as well! The total result is a wing off job to carry out the repairs properly. Been there and got the painful T shirt!

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                        • #13
                          Re: So what do you think about...????

                          It requires a SERIOUS redesign, but Chuck and I have been looking at using the inner two bays of the wings for a tank that uses the top and bottom skins of the tank as the wing skins (no fabric over it, only a tape around the edges). It would require a tank that could carry the shear loads and would be a major design mod but would allow us to get the 12Gal tank out of the nose over our knees and would free up all the space in front of the panel. CG of the tank would be so close to the aircraft CG that fuel use wouldn't change CG in flight. The other thing that's nice is it is EASY to see any leaks and check the tanks. Taking them in and out would be a snap. Problem is it is a pretty big mod from the paper side.
                          Hank

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                          • #14
                            Re: So what do you think about...????

                            Hank, I was going to use the piper system and tank covers, that would be easier to get approved....Tim
                            N29787
                            '41 BC12-65

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                            • #15
                              Re: So what do you think about...????

                              Hank, I'm servicing a Pa-22-160 taildragger at the moment. It has reasonably big tanks in the wings (appx 18 USG per side) with a hard skin on the top surface only, but of course with brace wires through the tank.

                              Would it not be simpler (paperwork - wise) to do similar, rather than have stressed skins above & below?

                              Robert P : The Pa22 (and I'm sure others in the fabric high-wing Piper series) do not have the middle dummy rib that caused problems to you and so many others. Not one of the finest features of the Taylorcraft designs.

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