Windshield Moulding

[Joel Severinghaus]

Re: Windshield Moulding

And now I'm really confused about which way the rubber molding should face. Should it be as A or B in the attached diagram? Seems to me like the beaded edge of the longest leg should go over the top edge of the fairing, like A...

[TimHicks]

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Hey Joel,
Just to make things more confusing, I need to tell you that the Tim that wrote about the orientation of the rubber (me, N96872) is not the same Tim that wrote about the corrugated trim piece (N29787).
Also, I don't know anything about the correct installation. I was only reporting how mine is installed (which, if I interpret your sketch correctly, is B), with the long leg inside of the cabin. I've never installed a windscreen. I don't know that mine is corrrect.
Tim

[Forrest Barber]

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The fluting was a process during the Feris era (F-19) to get the windshield band to conform to the curve, IF it is on a BC12D then it is a newer band from the Feris or later factory, an other way was to fit the windshield , then fit the band to conform to it. Replacement just takes a bit more fitting and trimming.
WE use heat , warm shop , heat lamps, or sunlight on windshield , beyond warm sandbags on the windshield , slot the side of the windshield , larger holes on top, the windshield just kind of floats around when installed correctly. The top is bolted in loosely. The hooks with rubber almost touch the windshield , they are there to prevent windshield caving in beyond Vd plus 10%. Wish I was there.

[VictorBravo]

Re: Windshield Moulding

And now I'm really confused about which way the rubber molding should face. Should it be as A or B in the attached diagram? Seems to me like the beaded edge of the longest leg should go over the top edge of the fairing, like A...

Joel, I'm pretty sure it's "B", but I am not nearly an authority on historical accuracy as much as several others here.

[Forrest Barber]

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Joel I missed your A B thing when I answered , we must have been on at the same time . It is B I guess , the long part is inside, however when the rubber channel comes off the roll that long part is turned down again 180 degrees so it can be flipped up over the glare shield. After the funerls up here , there is a diagram in a aprts thign here somewhere.

[Joel Severinghaus]

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Forrest,

Thanks for clarifying that the fluted-edge windshield fairing is for an F-19. (I've said it before, and I'll say it again: you're worth your weight in gold here as a Taylorcraft history authority.)

I'll stick with my current smooth-edged windshield fairing, which John Frisbie hand-formed with dimensions you kindly gave him over the phone from your hangar several years ago (photo attached). I'll put that new F-19 fairing from Brownsville up for sale here in a few weeks when I'm back from vacation.

[Joel Severinghaus]

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Guys,

Not to belabor this question, but I'm holding a piece of windshield rubber molding here, scratching my head and saying to myself some of you must have your molding installed backwards...

The left photo below is a slice of the rubber molding I recently bought from Tom Baker.

It really seems to me that in this photo, the interior of the plane would be to the left, and the exterior of the plane to the right. Seems to me the long straight leg with the beaded edge (on the right in the photo) would go between the windshield and the aluminum fairing, with the top edge of the fairing butted up against the bead. (So no molding actually wraps over the top of the fairing.) Then the short leg (on the far left in the photo) would be bent up to the left 90 degrees to sit firmly, with pressure from being bent, atop the glareshield (per the second photo below).

Or have I got it backwards?

[Buell Powell]

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Hi Joel,
Thought I should change this because the strip had been installed wrong on the F19 before-I haven't finished it yet but Tom Baker told me how to install it and it looks like it is going to work fine. You do need to make a tool to pull the flap on the inside over the glareshield-I just used a stiff wire and bent a hook on one end.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Joel, (and others),
I think the rubber from Tom Baker was originally for the PRE WAR planes with the individual flat glass pieces. I just finished putting mine all together and fitting it to my 41 (looks GREAT!!!! but I busted 4 windscreens, the side pieces, before I got it right). I have put the rubber on and off several times now, but honestly, I can't figure all these drawings and pictures out. I plan to take the whole windscreen, windshield (the front piece) and top glass apart to paint the metal parts and will take pictures with the rubber part in place so you guys can see how it fits. My 45 had about 10# of silicon sealant under the metal strip so I have no idea how it will be sealed. I didn't even know there WAS a rubber seal for under the metal strip (there IS NO metal strip over the rubber on the pre war planes.
Hank

[Forrest Barber]

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When the snow flies tomorrow night, I will find both style rubber mouldings , photo and share..... I have the Baker pre-war stuff here.....will find an example of the post war ; THAT is not it shown up above.

[Buell Powell]

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I needed to correct this post also but these are the old and new strips.

[Forrest Barber]

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neither one is an "original" style from 1946 , Mrs. Feris was the last to ahve them molded correctly. Where did those come from?

[Buell Powell]

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Forrest,
The old strip and windshield were with the parts for the F19 that was picked up at the factory @ La Grange.

[Joel Severinghaus]

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[Buell Powell]

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I'm sure Forrest will-he always does- I have only done pre-wars before and what I used on this F19 was made from when Mrs Ferris had the factory. I don't know for sure but it really looks like the old strip was old enough to be original---for a 1977 F19 and the old windshield was already out when we picked it up but it looks like by the marks on it that one of the short pieces was on the outside between the moulding and windshield which let it rub on the plexiglass and wouldn't have the bead on top to prevent it form leaking. If it is installed with the long piece between the moulding and windshield and then then the short piece that is on the inside is pulled up over the glareshield then it will protect the windshield from rubbing on the moulding the bead keeps the water from getting in between the windshield, closes off between the glareshield and windshield,and even though the windshield should float like Forrest stated --it makes a cushion between the cowling and windshield bottom--all at the same time--really a neat design for that little strip.