Windshield Moulding

[jCandlish]

Re: Windshield Moulding

The 41 windshield is finally in (with no broken glass!) and I have templates for all the parts (this is the pre-war 4 piece windshield with the metal strips between the pieces and NO windshield fairing strip at the bottom, just the rubber seal). I have got to say it looks BEAUTIFUL, but was a pure PITA to get in and fitted up. I will try and post some pictures and whoever it was that wanted tracings of the parts please let me know and I will start tracing and mailing.
Be forewarned, it was a LOT harder than it looked to get all the pieces shaped and fitted. Each plane will be a little different, so the templates will just be a starting point. Make cardboard ones and plan to waste some Plexiglas. Anyone have a use for 6 or 8 busted side windscreens? If it's at all cold they will break like glass. You have to warm them up and GENTLY bend them in place. Once they have heat soaked for a while they take a set and will break if you try to flatten them.
Hank

I would very much like to see your pictures!

[M Jones]

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Bob, excellent idea

Hank, you know we'll want those don't you?! I would like the tracings for future use when you have then available. I'll send you a PM, thanks!

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Windshield Moulding

The 41 windshield is finally in (with no broken glass!) and I have templates for all the parts (this is the pre-war 4 piece windshield with the metal strips between the pieces and NO windshield fairing strip at the bottom, just the rubber seal). I have got to say it looks BEAUTIFUL, but was a pure PITA to get in and fitted up. I will try and post some pictures and whoever it was that wanted tracings of the parts please let me know and I will start tracing and mailing.
Be forewarned, it was a LOT harder than it looked to get all the pieces shaped and fitted. Each plane will be a little different, so the templates will just be a starting point. Make cardboard ones and plan to waste some Plexiglas. Anyone have a use for 6 or 8 busted side windscreens? If it's at all cold they will break like glass. You have to warm them up and GENTLY bend them in place. Once they have heat soaked for a while they take a set and will break if you try to flatten them.
Hank

[mulwyk]

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Joels photo of the fluted edge fairing strip started me thinking I might be able to salvage the really pathetic fairing strip on my project. My fairing strip was all deformed and bent outa shape. Seems like everything I did to try and get it to follow the curve of the windshield only made it worse. I was about to give up on the old thing, but decided to try a little low-tech fluting and see if that would fix it.

I made a crude fluting tool out of a length of 1/4" dowel. I glued three short pieces of half round dowel onto a length of scrap plywood. Then I taped a longer (6") piece of dowel onto the plywood to act as the anvil. The procedure was to jam the plywood/dowel tool into the space where the windshield normally sits, squeeze the longer dowel on top to create a little depression in the fairing strip, move the tool over 1/4", squeeze again, move, squeeze, ...etc. It took about an hour to do the whole fairing. I used a pliers to squeeze the dowel, but someone with strong hands could just squeeze it with their hands.

The results were like a miracle. My fairing strip now fits the windshield perfectly, it lays down a nice sweet curve. Thanks Joel, that fluteing idea works great!

[Buell Powell]

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I'm sure Forrest will-he always does- I have only done pre-wars before and what I used on this F19 was made from when Mrs Ferris had the factory. I don't know for sure but it really looks like the old strip was old enough to be original---for a 1977 F19 and the old windshield was already out when we picked it up but it looks like by the marks on it that one of the short pieces was on the outside between the moulding and windshield which let it rub on the plexiglass and wouldn't have the bead on top to prevent it form leaking. If it is installed with the long piece between the moulding and windshield and then then the short piece that is on the inside is pulled up over the glareshield then it will protect the windshield from rubbing on the moulding the bead keeps the water from getting in between the windshield, closes off between the glareshield and windshield,and even though the windshield should float like Forrest stated --it makes a cushion between the cowling and windshield bottom--all at the same time--really a neat design for that little strip.

[Joel Severinghaus]

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[Buell Powell]

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Forrest,
The old strip and windshield were with the parts for the F19 that was picked up at the factory @ La Grange.

[Forrest Barber]

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neither one is an "original" style from 1946 , Mrs. Feris was the last to ahve them molded correctly. Where did those come from?

[Buell Powell]

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I needed to correct this post also but these are the old and new strips.

[Forrest Barber]

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When the snow flies tomorrow night, I will find both style rubber mouldings , photo and share..... I have the Baker pre-war stuff here.....will find an example of the post war ; THAT is not it shown up above.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Joel, (and others),
I think the rubber from Tom Baker was originally for the PRE WAR planes with the individual flat glass pieces. I just finished putting mine all together and fitting it to my 41 (looks GREAT!!!! but I busted 4 windscreens, the side pieces, before I got it right). I have put the rubber on and off several times now, but honestly, I can't figure all these drawings and pictures out. I plan to take the whole windscreen, windshield (the front piece) and top glass apart to paint the metal parts and will take pictures with the rubber part in place so you guys can see how it fits. My 45 had about 10# of silicon sealant under the metal strip so I have no idea how it will be sealed. I didn't even know there WAS a rubber seal for under the metal strip (there IS NO metal strip over the rubber on the pre war planes.
Hank

[Buell Powell]

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Hi Joel,
Thought I should change this because the strip had been installed wrong on the F19 before-I haven't finished it yet but Tom Baker told me how to install it and it looks like it is going to work fine. You do need to make a tool to pull the flap on the inside over the glareshield-I just used a stiff wire and bent a hook on one end.

[Joel Severinghaus]

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Guys,

Not to belabor this question, but I'm holding a piece of windshield rubber molding here, scratching my head and saying to myself some of you must have your molding installed backwards...

The left photo below is a slice of the rubber molding I recently bought from Tom Baker.

It really seems to me that in this photo, the interior of the plane would be to the left, and the exterior of the plane to the right. Seems to me the long straight leg with the beaded edge (on the right in the photo) would go between the windshield and the aluminum fairing, with the top edge of the fairing butted up against the bead. (So no molding actually wraps over the top of the fairing.) Then the short leg (on the far left in the photo) would be bent up to the left 90 degrees to sit firmly, with pressure from being bent, atop the glareshield (per the second photo below).

Or have I got it backwards?

[Joel Severinghaus]

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Forrest,

Thanks for clarifying that the fluted-edge windshield fairing is for an F-19. (I've said it before, and I'll say it again: you're worth your weight in gold here as a Taylorcraft history authority.)

I'll stick with my current smooth-edged windshield fairing, which John Frisbie hand-formed with dimensions you kindly gave him over the phone from your hangar several years ago (photo attached). I'll put that new F-19 fairing from Brownsville up for sale here in a few weeks when I'm back from vacation.

[Forrest Barber]

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Joel I missed your A B thing when I answered , we must have been on at the same time . It is B I guess , the long part is inside, however when the rubber channel comes off the roll that long part is turned down again 180 degrees so it can be flipped up over the glare shield. After the funerls up here , there is a diagram in a aprts thign here somewhere.