landing

[slam555]

I'm new to this community and new to the tail wheel planes, I'm using the taylorcraft to finish my training for my licsense, and to build time while I restore the plane, I have soloed, and taken the flights for the tailwheel endorsement, but due the lack of planes to rent, repairs to the runways, I bought my own plane.
If anyone could help with some numbers on final speed, and landing speed, whats the best way to reach them engine settings I would greatly appreciate it, as would my instructor.

[Ragwing nut]

My response may not be the one you want to hear, but you need to go fly it and learn what it wants. The model you have, the rigging, the engine, the empty weight, etc, all play apart that will make your plane fly different than someone else's. Take the numbers you get from the internet as a rough idea and go learn. No two planes will fly exactly the same. What tailwheel time does your instructor have? I'm guessing no tcraft time based upon your post.

[slam555]

yeah no tcraft time for either of us, I learned on a Ryan and after 12 landings I was told I was certified, to which i felt it was bull. I have been careful about learning , and my instructor works with me on it, I have videos on him taking off and landing and they look perfect, couldn't ask for anything better.
I have been working on this plane since I bought it, it was not cared for very well, the controls were stiff, the windows glazed over, gas leaks, the radio doesn't work, but the plane flies well.
I dug in and found every pulley, and U joints, now the controls slide with ease, new fuel line fixed 1 of the leaks, found another small one at the tank, I made new windows for the doors, the windscreen was new when I bought it, the door windows now open, doors close easily and stay closed. the throttle cable is the one its supposed to have not a mixture cable thats been rigged in. it got new oil, and filter with a new air filter and new plugs (the old ones were all carboned up). the left wing seems heavy, and on landing it tends to yaw to the left, so it might be the inexperience of the pilot, or it might need some adjustment, I've read in the manual that if a wing is heavy, theres a strut adjustment to wash the wing out or in, to which I don't know exactly what that is, I'll have to discuss it with my A&P,
Even With the issues, the plane in the air is very smooth and docile, with both of us in the plane it stalls right at 40 the needle hit the edge of the green line, and the nose went right over straight and easy no major issues other than the transfer of the rudder, control to the tailwheel on landing,
My plan is to fly it for the remainder of this year and the next, when the weather goes bad, I'll disassemble it take it home for its recovering and restoration, for now I enjoy working on it and flying it, and it seems the longer I have it the better it looks

[waltermrich]

My Tcraft is a BC12d with a 65, i use 60mph for lift off and 60mph for final, a lot like a Cub.

[slam555]

thats good to know, we'll try to keep to those number thanks

[slam555]

mines got the 85

[3Dreaming]

Take it up and stall it and see what indicated speed it stalls at, then multiply by 1.5. That should be close for your approach speed for a normal landing. I like to bump it up by 5 mph for a wheel landing approach. For a short field landing fly the approach at 1.3 stall speed.

[Ragwing nut]

Take it up and stall it and see what indicated speed it stalls at, then multiply by 1.5. That should be close for your approach speed for a normal landing. I like to bump it up by 5 mph for a wheel landing approach. For a short field landing fly the approach at 1.3 stall speed.

The short noses really don't like to wheel land. Tried with all 3 I flew but I just didn't like the speed I had to carry. My deluxe with the O-200 wasn't bad to wheel land, the F-21 was easy. Will see how the F-19 I'm finishing does soon.

[Scott]

When I learned to fly the BC12D class of aircraft, my instructor insisted that every landing was preceeded by a power off approach. The logic being that (at the time) a forty year old engine just might leave you short if you're flying like you're in a 747.

So now that we're flying 80+ year old aircraft, i still fly the same way.... power smoothly reduced to idle while turning base. Most approaches involve side slips, 60-65 indicated is a good baseline, but airspeed indicator is not usable when slipping. Every landing was three point, again at the insistance of my instructor. Lots of time to experiment with wheel landings later. The speed of a 3 point landing is a function of the landing weight of the airplane and is not really relevant. The objective is to gradually increase your angle of attack until you're at the 3-point attitude. Remember to keep "flying" the airplane even though you're on the ground.

If you fly your circuits this way, you'll do 3 times as many landings as the flight schools with their 3/4 mile finals! And you'll develope a feel for the aircraft.

Now if I could just remember my own advice maybe I'd do better with my T.

[3Dreaming]

The short noses really don't like to wheel land. Tried with all 3 I flew but I just didn't like the speed I had to carry. My deluxe with the O-200 wasn't bad to wheel land, the F-21 was easy. Will see how the F-19 I'm finishing does soon.

You shouldn't have told me that. After a 1000 plus hours flying short nose Taylorcrafts I just found out they don't wheel land well. I probably wheel land at least 50% of the time, and have never found it difficult. BTW, I don't think I have ever flown a long nose one.

[Ragwing nut]

You shouldn't have told me that. After a 1000 plus hours flying short nose Taylorcrafts I just found out they don't wheel land well. I probably wheel land at least 50% of the time, and have never found it difficult. BTW, I don't think I have ever flown a long nose one.

I'm not sayin they don't or can't by any means. I have flown about 20 different tail draggers, and some just WANT to wheel land, others you have to work at it.

[3Dreaming]

I'm not sayin they don't or can't by any means. I have flown about 20 different tail draggers, and some just WANT to wheel land, others you have to work at it.

I never found my old BL or our 41 Deluxe to be difficult to wheel land. In fact I find it easier to wheel land that to make a nice three point landing.

[slam555]

great info, the stall is at 40 right on the nose, the needle hits the end of the green line and the nose drops. our issue is that it wants to turn left on the touchdown, either we aren't putting in enough right rudder on the touchdown or something is wrong, like bungees or wheel bearings, but durring take off and taxi theres no indications so I'd say its rudder management
does anyone know what is wash in and wash out on the set up for these planes, it flies with the left wing a little heavy