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    So far most of my work and business is on Aeronca landing gear and it often has Cleveland brakes/wheels.

    I also have a Taylorcraft landing gear jig and a pile of landing gears to fix, most of them have Shinn wheels/brakes and tapered axles.

    Some, a few, of the Aeronca gears have Shinn wheels/brakes and tapered axles, many of the Taylorcraft have them.

    Having said all that I really want to say that while working on that stuff I have noticed that about 10-20 percent of the tapered axles that I see are clogged with mud preventing water drainage/drying inside the tapered axle and some of those are badly pitted inside to the point of being un-usable.

    My suggestion is that we whom have tapered axles clean them out with with a rod or wire if they are clogged to get them clean. Also inspect them for pitting inside. I can see it somewhat easily on the bench it will be more difficult on the plane.

    One scheme is to vacuum out the debris, separate the rust with a magnet then see and weigh how much iron oxide is there to estimate damage. Also a borescope, bore camera or ultrasonic thickness tester will help.

    After all the inspection blow the axle bore clean and coat with paint, linseed oil or grease to preserve, also keep it open so it drys out after a rain.

    Dave

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    Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

    Dave can a sleeve be inserted in a tapered axle to add or restore strength?

    Gary
    N36007 1941 BF12-65 STC'd as BC12D-4-85

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    • #3
      Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

      Thanks, Dave, for something new for me to worry about.
      Cheers,
      Marty


      TF #596
      1946 BC-12D N95258
      Former owner of:
      1946 BC-12D/N95275
      1943 L-2B/N3113S

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      • #4
        Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

        Originally posted by PA1195 View Post
        Dave can a sleeve be inserted in a tapered axle to add or restore strength?

        Gary
        Hi Gary,

        Good thought! I assumed it was not possible up to now.

        I just looked a new old stock tapered axle stub in my shop and realize that one could craft an insert by using it as a fixture.

        In my mind the next step is to determine something about the strength properties of the axle stub itself and also of the crafted repair insert. Perhaps area moment of inertia along the length and noting that the insert may have to be solid.

        Then compare the results to see if the insert will provide a good reinforcement.

        I think the insert could be installed after moving the lower end of that streamlined cabane strut and possibly heating and moving the bolt fitting apart and then back to slide the insert in. Will try "it" on some old gear later. ("it" = do you have to bend the bolt tabs)

        Dave
        Last edited by Guest; 11-03-2016, 07:21.

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        • #5
          Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

          Originally posted by M Towsley View Post
          Thanks, Dave, for something new for me to worry about.
          You are welcome, always happy help.

          Actually when I saw Dan Glandt's thread about needing axles due to stub pitting it reminded me that I had seen these problems on single axles (one side of the plane only) and have told customers to be sure to check the other side.

          Dave

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          • #6
            Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

            Dave, by my reading of his original complaint was that his axles were pitted and damaged on the outer surface, not inside the axle itself.
            Cheers,
            Marty


            TF #596
            1946 BC-12D N95258
            Former owner of:
            1946 BC-12D/N95275
            1943 L-2B/N3113S

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            • #7
              Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

              Originally posted by M Towsley View Post
              Dave, by my reading of his original complaint was that his axles were pitted and damaged on the outer surface, not inside the axle itself.
              Hi Marty,

              I think that you are correct but none the less it did remind me though of the inside event that I have seen.

              Of course the statistics that I mention are related to the axles that I see. One could argue that axles that I get are from the bottom of the gene pool. If they were real good then no one would send them to me.

              But it does indicate that it can happen and is worthy of a look.

              Dave

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              • #8
                Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                I think with your gear jig Dave, you should explore the possibility of an STC to remove the tapered axle and replace with a straight axle. I bet it would be a worth while deal.
                John
                I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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                • #9
                  Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                  Re the axle insert sleeve thought...common practice years ago with Cub 1 1/4" hollow axles to drive a piece of chromoly pipe inside the axle to help support the assembly on skis. I guess the idea is to reinforce the axle to gear attachment point from the inside as the skis offer no cushion compared with tires.

                  Here's another option for a tapered to straight axle conversion using the Grove P/N 5045 tapered to 1.5" straight sleeve adapter: http://www.taylorcraft.org/docs/grov...20complete.pdf

                  http://www.aeroskimfg.com also offered tapered to straight axle adapters at one time. I have 337's for both of the above mods.

                  Gary
                  Last edited by PA1195; 11-03-2016, 11:37.
                  N36007 1941 BF12-65 STC'd as BC12D-4-85

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                  • #10
                    Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                    Dave,

                    I concur, definitely a worthwhile topic to bring up.
                    Cheers,
                    Marty


                    TF #596
                    1946 BC-12D N95258
                    Former owner of:
                    1946 BC-12D/N95275
                    1943 L-2B/N3113S

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                    • #11
                      Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                      NO stc necessary, the F-19 gear was a 1.5" axle, just a field approval to install the F-19 gear....even if you build the gear...
                      N29787
                      '41 BC12-65

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                      • #12
                        Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                        I have never seen a taper axle fail, but I have seen bent ones.

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                        • #13
                          Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                          Originally posted by Ragwing nut View Post
                          I have never seen a taper axle fail, but I have seen bent ones.
                          didn't people say that about struts before the AD?
                          N29787
                          '41 BC12-65

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                          • #14
                            Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                            They saw bent tapered axles prior to the strut AD?

                            Couldn't resist.

                            Sorry, Dave.

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                            • #15
                              Re: tapered axle landing gear inspection

                              And Taylorcraft struts have not failed (to my knowledge).

                              Rob

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