46 Paint Schemes

[Ragwing nut]

Re: 46 Paint Schemes

I just ordered some poly from jim and Dondi today, they retired three weeks ago, but are still selling the last of their inventory and answering the phone. FYI

i did not know they retired. Don't know where I will turn to for the next time I order poly fiber

[VanDy]

Re: 46 Paint Schemes

I asked them and they said aircraft spruce or wag is your best bet

i did not know they retired. Don't know where I will turn to for the next time I order poly fiber

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: 46 Paint Schemes

SO sad to hear they are shutting down. They have always been an incredible help with their products and knowledge. Someone should pick up the mantle. Any idea if their business might be for sale (with an option to keep them involved at least to help answer questions)? This will be a terrible loss to the Dope and fabric community.
Maybe it is finally time to give Stewarts a shot.

Hank

Oh how I miss Grade A and Nitrate Butyrate! NOTHING is as fun to handle as Cotton and dope (OK guys, clean up your minds, nothing as fun on an AIRPLANE.)

[Ray36048]

Re: 46 Paint Schemes

Hank,

Can you get the color mix for Taylorcraft Ivory from them? If you know the mix, maybe Aircraft Spruce can make it on request.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: 46 Paint Schemes

From what I remember it isn't a "formula". Since the pigments are slightly different from one batch to another it would be mixed to match for each sale. Even then I mixed several one gallon cans to even out any slight difference to get one color all over on my plane. Of course that didn't work when the metal parts were painted but if you look closely most planes that are painted with Dope have a very slight mis-match between the metal and fabric parts. If it is in the red range of colors it will also get farther apart with time. Red DOES NOT stay the same over time!

When I get some good weather I hope to put some old cotton cloth (like an old sheet, not like Grade A) on a frame and paint it. I should be able to cut several samples from it for others to use to match colors with. The ivory I used was based on several fabric samples from different parts of the country, all from 1945 and a little into 46. All of them were VERY close to the same color and one was from an aileron that had been stored in the dark since the early 50s. I am pretty confident my Ivory is the right early post war Taylorcraft Ivory.

The "Metallic Maroon" on my 41 I have NO confidence in. Maroon tends to "go brown" with time, and mine is in the aged color (I don't especially like it. When I recover I plan to go with a maroon that matches the seat color).

The 45 was "Metallic Blue" and "Taylorcraft Ivory" and the blue was a standard Cessna trim color for years after Taylorcraft stopped using it. Note that "Metallic" around the WW-2 era was NOT what it is now. Metallic was just high gloss, NOT metal flake, candy apple or any of the colors that are called "metallic" in modern paints.

If anyone really needs a paint sample soon I can make one up, but it may not be absolutely perfect because the temperatures and humidity here are terrible for painting right now.

Hank

[Jim Herpst]

HI All
I've been doing homework on paint schemes for my May 46 BC12D. (with Baggage Compartment D windows). After looking at all the photos I can find, including all the black and white archives, I've come to the conclusion that Taylorcraft paint schemes are kind of like fingerprints.... there are no two alike!

I've reviewed all the related posts I can find on the forum and thanks for all that wealth of information.

My general philosophy with CF-CLR is to try and stay true to the original configuration, without being obsessive or compromising safety, and taking advantage of newer materials and processes that add to reliability and durability.

The finish I plan to use is Randthane and I'm leaning toward a light shade base over particularly top surfaces. Based on what I found while stripping various parts, and the logs, I think the aircraft was predominantly baby-blue and white or possibly light grey or silver. Not my to taste.

So I would welcome input and any 1946 era photos or renderings, or knowledge of what BC12Ds looked like as they came out of the factory in 1946.

For reference I do have the renderings from 1993 John McDonald

thanks
Scott

Scott,

Sorry I wanted you to please be able to have see my post on help needed.

I have looked on your blog as far as the elevator inspection plates (need to look i. My parts boxes for the old plates. However the trim cable size, routing and attache points are a huge mystery. Can you provide any support?

Jim

[Scott]

The trim cable is 1/16"
don't remember the length but just measure from the tail post to the front spar carry-through times 2.

Here's some photos. I'll see if I can find more

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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7OXKPsAE5ZQ/VhGNLEHRMyI/AAAAAAAABzg/VxjTvSGpCe8/s1600/DSCN3781.JPG

[Scott]

The right side has only the square panel and one inspection ring for the lower elevator cable

[Scott]

When you have the routing of the cable correct, clockwise rotation of the cockpit crank, as viewed from below, results in up tim ie the tab should be deflected down.

The Spring is on the left and the cable clamps ack as the stops as they contact the cable ferrals. Increase or decrease the stretch on the spring to get the correct travel (which I think is listed in the manual).

[Scott]

Maybe start a new thread to get more help

[Jim Herpst]

When you have the routing of the cable correct, clockwise rotation of the cockpit crank, as viewed from below, results in up tim ie the tab should be deflected down.

The Spring is on the left and the cable clamps ack as the stops as they contact the cable ferrals. Increase or decrease the stretch on the spring to get the correct travel (which I think is listed in the manual).

Scott,

Thank you very much!. I do have another thread started below this one however searched for a thread to get your attention as I do not have your e mail(thought I did) . You always have the best pictures . Hank was on Facebook and did provide me a good drawing of the whole spring setup. Now I need to determine how close the whole schabang is behind and relative to the the ferrule