Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

[Bernard]

I have been trying for over a month to get a hold of him with out luck. I have a BC12-D that I want to put a bigger engine into ( C 85 ? ) but I want the STC in hand before I go looking for an engine. I also want better breaks and don't want to try for a field approval with out DER help. Does anyone know if he is still selling his STC #SA1-210 and doing DER work ?

Thanks
Bernard
N5089M

[Ragwing nut]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

He is still in business, but he has a day job. Have you tried email or calling him?

[3Dreaming]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

I talked to him about a week ago.

[astjp2]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Do you already have the fuel upgrades? You need a bigger header tank valve and lines if it is the original 65 stuff. Tim

[Bernard]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

What I need is information, which is why I need to talk to Terry. Once I get the information then I will need the STC and approved data, then I can start getting the parts ect together that will be needed. But to start making changes with out approved data is asking for trouble.

[astjp2]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

The STC is your approved data, what do you need to know? Terry is not the only source of info, we have a lot of experience and all you have to do is ask. Tim

[Robert Lees]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Firstly, welcome to the forum, Bernard! Terry will be along in due course I'm sure.

Do you already have the fuel upgrades? You need a bigger header tank valve and lines if it is the original 65 stuff. Tim

Tim (astjp2): What "fuel upgrades" and "bigger header tank valve" do you mean? I'm not sure that your question is valid: Bernard is quite right; he should do nothing until he has the correct approvals.

[Robert Lees]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Bernard: Terry Bowden seems to have a Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/CAP.LLC

[astjp2]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Rob, most of the original 65 hp airplanes had a 1/4" through hole in the header tank valve and gascolator. Verifying that the hole size in the fuel system is adequate is a requirement of the STC. I am not saying that he needs to change anything, just trying to see if his airplane already has been upgraded. Wing structural mods were also done a lot even though they weren't going to do the stc. Tim

[tim]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

yes his stc you can use a c-85 c-90 he can also change to an o-200 but last I heard its rpm limited to 85hp and for better brakes grove has what your looking for

[Bernard]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

I have only had the BC12-D for about a month or 2. It was flown to Carson City Nv with a fresh annual and I have found a whole lot of things that need to be changed. If I keep an A-65 I will need a different prop. But at about 5000' msl a bigger engine would work better. The breaks will not hold above 1300 RPM so better breaks are called for. But Grove does not have a STC so it will have to be done with a field approval, not having done one before I need a DER walk me thru it and supply approved data for the axle sleve and what ever else is needed. I would like a C-85-12F on a short mound with a starter and no Generator. I have a line on a C-75-12 but don't know what is required to convert it to a C-85-12. I have been trying to get hold of a copy of CAR 4a but without luck. I am sure the fuel line & valve are 1/4 inch. and the vents will have to be tired together but what valve is called for I have no idea but that info should be in the Data for the STC.

Working on a "T" craft is a whole lot different than working on my Cessna 152. I have manuals for the Cessna but info on BC12-D's is in very short supply and parts/data are a hard to come by.

[N96337]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Bernard,
First...welcome! Second, one of my old PMI's is retired from the FAA and living in Carson City now. I believe he's still active as an DAR? His name is Bob Speicher, and he's one of the good guys. Ask around...if he's active, someone will know and if you look him up, he'll be able to help with anything you have to go through with an old aircraft. He's a great guy!
You're on the right track to get the approvals and then get to gathering parts and doing the work...unfortunately many owners go the other way, and we (the IA's) have to sort it out later.
Tim's valve will be on your "want" list if you go to an 85.
CAR 4 should be available online here... http://www.stacheair.com/data/At%20W...PART%2004a.PDF
Like was said before, many of us have been through all this, and are happy to help, so don't be bashful about asking.
John

[astjp2]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

From experience, do the O-200 swap and skip the C series engines. You will save money in the long run. The C series engines have not been supported for years and parts are getting harder and more expensive to buy. I did the O-200 and love it. Fuel burn is more than a A-65 but the climb with 2 people and baggage is tolerable now. I fly from a field elevation of 4400 msl, I did it for years with the 65 and only changed when I flew it to Alaska for 6 years. I have a legal prop for a 65 if you would rather save some money, its an M74ck-0-46 repitched to 43....climbs real nice for a 65 and did not lose any for cruise since the engine could maintain 2300. Just some things to think about. You might also look at making sure you have both wing tanks, if you don't, cross countries become challenging with only 3 hours of fuel, the extra tank give a solid 4 hours. Tim

[cvavon]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

And also look in the Teck section in there is my field approval for grove disk brakes that was done 4 years ago.Grove has all the parts you need if I were to do it again I would use his pull type mastercylenders and the stock pedals and a remote reservoir .

[Garry Crookham]

Re: Terry Bowden still in busness ? or has the rain closed him down ?

Bernard

As John (N96337) indicated in his post, as an IA I want to compliment you for doing the proper research before starting your project. One comment on CAR 04: according to the TCDS for type certificate A-696 the certification basis for the BC12-D is CAR 04 as amended to May 1, 1938. Unfortunately you wont find CAR 04 as amended to May 1, 1938 (CAR 04 is available on the FAA.gov website). There is a CAR 04 as amended to May 31, 1938. I suspect it is clerical error but can't get the FAA to give me an answer.

Garry