Need Yokes

[Ragwing nut]

Re: Need Yokes

Richard,

I have not seen anyone reproduce the plastic piece in the center. I have two of those right now with the black plastic pieces on the yokes. I was planning on selling them someday when I got around to it, but they are attached to the cast yoke.

I bet if you send them to plane plastics they might reproduce them. They easily deteriorate and break.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Not sure which one you are talking about. I didn't think I posted any cut ones.

Hank

the yokes in your second pic have been cut.

[3Dreaming]

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Not sure which one you are talking about. I didn't think I posted any cut ones.

Hank

Post #20, the second picture.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Those are actually original factory 41 wheels. I have only seen a couple of planes with them and was told they went into just a few planes when they couldn't get Banjo wheels. They made these on site at Taylorcraft. The photo is of my panel and one thing I can tell you is these wheels are probably the most comfortable I have ever held. Only problem is very few of them are out there and most people think all of teh 41 Deluxe planes had Banjos.

Hank

[Ragwing nut]

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Those are actually original factory 41 wheels. I have only seen a couple of planes with them and was told they went into just a few planes when they couldn't get Banjo wheels. They made these on site at Taylorcraft. The photo is of my panel and one thing I can tell you is these wheels are probably the most comfortable I have ever held. Only problem is very few of them are out there and most people think all of teh 41 Deluxe planes had Banjos.

Hank

They are factory but the top hoop has been cut out.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Sorry, but I have examples of each of the different wheels used on Taylorcrafts and these are NOT cut off from any of the others. They are welded up and look like they were made on a jig since they are so close to the exact same dimensions. The spokes do not match other wheels I have ever seen. The bottom support tube is not the same as a banjo or the Chief wheel and the two tubes that angle up to the outer hoop are partially flattened round stock. The center disc is also not the same as any of the other wheels.
If these wheels are mods to another wheel, the ones they are made from wheels that are even more rare than these are.

Hank

[3Dreaming]

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They look to me to be made out of or like one of the round wheels.

[Hank Jarrett]

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I have one round wheel (from Josh's plane) and I can guarantee you it was NOT made from it or any of the other wheels I have posted photos of. Curves are all different and so are the smaller tubes.

Hank

[3Dreaming]

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Just an observation, but if you were to cut the round section off one of the round wheels, Flip it so that the spoke that was pointed up is now pointed down and remove that spoke. Now weld the pretzel shaped piece to the spokes and the bottom of the hub and you now have the new wheel. To me that is what it looks like happened. The 2 oval cross section spokes and how they are welded into the hub share ancestry with the round wheel.

[Ragwing nut]

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I have one round wheel (from Josh's plane) and I can guarantee you it was NOT made from it or any of the other wheels I have posted photos of. Curves are all different and so are the smaller tubes.

Hank

shape should be identical to the banjo wheel. it just has the different centers. If I still have one here I will post a pic.

[Hank Jarrett]

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I have held one of each wheel in my hands at the same time (round, pretzel and banjo) to compare, and I can guarantee the one we are talking about IS NOT made from any of the others. It would be easier to start from scratch than modify one anyway. Not sure what the point of the debate is. If you really WANT one like mine, I have a guy who could make it from scratch and from my searches for a Banjo and round wheel I am sure he could make it for a lot less than you could buy a Banjo or round one for and then modify it.

Hank

If you want one made, I would strongly suggest drilling and tapping the tops of the horns for a push to talk switch and running the wires through the wheel. Mine run around the back of the wheel and just don't look a neat and tidy as if I had drilled and run the wire inside. Not that I plan to drill any holes in an original wheel.

[3Dreaming]

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Hank,
Don't get so defensive that you don't see what is written. From you own description you said, "They are welded up", and "the two tubes that angle up to the outer hoop are partially flattened round stock". These are both characteristics shared with the round wheels that were in my 41 BL. From the picture it looks like the spokes are 120° from each other, just like the round wheels. Do they have a stamped aluminum center cap that is crimped around the hub? The picture you posted is small and it is hard to see the fine detail.

I don't doubt that they are factory wheels. I agree that they were made on a jig. It wouldn't surprise me if they were built an a jig modified from one that was used for making round wheels.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Didn't intend to sound defensive, just that I have examples of each kind of wheel and if you have them in front of you it is clear they are not modified from each other. The 41 wheels are one piece welded. The center disc is a part of the wheel, not a cap that can be removed. The whole thing is one welded steel part including the shaft (with Ni plating when I got them, not chrome). The only bolt is at the end of the tube where it connects to the universal and chain gear. All of the wheels share ancestry, but I doubt the factory made one kind from the left over stock of the previous. Taylorcraft tended to use up any old stock before shifting to a new configuration. That is why you can find goofy mixes of parts when transitions happened.

As for jigs and fixtures, they tend to wear out and get damaged, which sometimes drives changes to new designs. That is one reason there are so many different strut dimensions. The rollers would wear out that made the streamlined stock and the rollers would be re-machined. That made the next set of struts just a bit larger each time. Back in the 30 and 40s (don't know later than that but suspect it was still true) the CAA would let you make parts like struts slightly larger and stronger without making a design change. By the time the F-19 came out the aft strut was bigger than an original late 30s front strut (and bunch stronger).

I was serious about if anyone wants the wheels like mine. The guy who is providing a build quote on the steel aileron hinges has NC equipment that could probably make all the parts for them fairly easy. They ARE really comfortable.

Hank

[Ragwing nut]

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Didn't intend to sound defensive, just that I have examples of each kind of wheel and if you have them in front of you it is clear they are not modified from each other. The 41 wheels are one piece welded. The center disc is a part of the wheel, not a cap that can be removed. The whole thing is one welded steel part including the shaft (with Ni plating when I got them, not chrome). The only bolt is at the end of the tube where it connects to the universal and chain gear. All of the wheels share ancestry, but I doubt the factory made one kind from the left over stock of the previous. Taylorcraft tended to use up any old stock before shifting to a new configuration. That is why you can find goofy mixes of parts when transitions happened.

As for jigs and fixtures, they tend to wear out and get damaged, which sometimes drives changes to new designs. That is one reason there are so many different strut dimensions. The rollers would wear out that made the streamlined stock and the rollers would be re-machined. That made the next set of struts just a bit larger each time. Back in the 30 and 40s (don't know later than that but suspect it was still true) the CAA would let you make parts like struts slightly larger and stronger without making a design change. By the time the F-19 came out the aft strut was bigger than an original late 30s front strut (and bunch stronger).

I was serious about if anyone wants the wheels like mine. The guy who is providing a build quote on the steel aileron hinges has NC equipment that could probably make all the parts for them fairly easy. They ARE really comfortable.

Hank

Thats how they were a full welded assembly but with the hoop complete. I either sold my wheels or ratholed them where I can't find them. I have a 35mm pic of them in my deluxe before i took it apart. I will find that pic and post it up here.

[3Dreaming]

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If I wnated a set I would likely try and do it myself. It sounds like they used spokes, hubs, and shafts from the round wheels to make the wheels you have. The round wheels had an aluminum center hub cap that went over the steel hub disk. It simply wrapped around the steel disk and was crimped into place. They are missing from many of them now. Your wheels may have had a cap at one time.