Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

[Edwin Otha]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

Tim,
I am interested in the aircraft. I have a BC that I bought and could use the parts. What you have can be put to good use. I'm down in the SF Bay area, but can't get to your area until Christmas break from school.
EO

[T.Wiley]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

I believe that the engine is all there. including the mounts as it is still mounted.
Tim

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

OK, I may need to re-think my claim that ANYTHING can be rebuilt. Still true in this planes case, but it would be more of a re-manufacture than a restoration or rebuild.
Agree that the engine and if not the whole thing, at least a LOT of the small parts are well worth saving. Those are also the original Banjo wheels in the cockpit. The wheels are for a 41 Deluxe and are shot but the hub is usable and the spokes are hard to find and well worth saving. If you find the center caps for the control wheels (they look like freeze plugs and fit over the hub) be SURE to save them. VERY hard to find! The panel itself is a post war and not even correct for this plane. Too bad the BIG tach isn’t there. I would take one no matter how bad condition it was in. Some of the knobs under the panel also look pre-war and are hard to find. The door is a sheet metal one and is for a post war plane. It shouldn’t have even been able to be fitted to this plane (which makes me think this plane may have had a post war fuselage). The “D” windows are also post war and not for this year plane. I am a bit amazed, even the port stab is damaged! Tail surfaces almost always are recovered (I have a whole stack of them). Save the tail brace wires and hardware. They may be OK. I couldn’t see the tail wheel, but they usually survive too and are worth saving. The wing tanks are well worth trying to save. Even the fuel valves can be hard to find and can be repaired (for all the tanks). I just noticed it has the wrong (post war) all metal trim tab too. That is DEFINITELY not a pre-war fuselage. Photo 7 needs closer study. It looks to me like there are some stray parts in there that may not even be Taylorcraft (probably thrown on the pile when it was put on the trailer). The wings look like they could be pre-war and there is probably a lot of “T” section on those ribs that could be used to repair other wings. From what I can tell there are two wing tanks and they, again, are well worth saving (including the valves and fittings). The pressed sheet metal wing tips are also worth saving although I can’t see them clearly enough to tell what year they are.
If the “T” club members near you could get up there it would be worth stripping out all the parts that could be reused. If you have paper on the plane it could be rebuilt with a LOT of parts from donor planes with bad paperwork. Even any good condition fasteners are worth saving.

Hope maybe someone fairly close can get up to take her, but afraid the value will be pretty low.

Hank

[LostnSpace]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

the FAA shows registration cancelled 2/17, now on Hold, just noticed

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

OK, I may need to re-think my claim that ANYTHING can be rebuilt. Still true in this planes case, but it would be more of a re-manufacture than a restoration or rebuild.
Agree that the engine and if not the whole thing, at least a LOT of the small parts are well worth saving. Those are also the original Banjo wheels in the cockpit. The wheels are for a 41 Deluxe and are shot but the hub is usable and the spokes are hard to find and well worth saving. If you find the center caps for the control wheels (they look like freeze plugs and fit over the hub) be SURE to save them. VERY hard to find! The panel itself is a post war and not even correct for this plane. Too bad the BIG tach isn’t there. I would take one no matter how bad condition it was in. Some of the knobs under the panel also look pre-war and are hard to find. The door is a sheet metal one and is for a post war plane. It shouldn’t have even been able to be fitted to this plane (which makes me think this plane may have had a post war fuselage). The “D” windows are also post war and not for this year plane. I am a bit amazed, even the port stab is damaged! Tail surfaces almost always are recovered (I have a whole stack of them). Save the tail brace wires and hardware. They may be OK. I couldn’t see the tail wheel, but they usually survive too and are worth saving. The wing tanks are well worth trying to save. Even the fuel valves can be hard to find and can be repaired (for all the tanks). I just noticed it has the wrong (post war) all metal trim tab too. That is DEFINITELY not a pre-war fuselage. Photo 7 needs closer study. It looks to me like there are some stray parts in there that may not even be Taylorcraft (probably thrown on the pile when it was put on the trailer). The wings look like they could be pre-war and there is probably a lot of “T” section on those ribs that could be used to repair other wings. From what I can tell there are two wing tanks and they, again, are well worth saving (including the valves and fittings). The pressed sheet metal wing tips are also worth saving although I can’t see them clearly enough to tell what year they are.
If the “T” club members near you could get up there it would be worth stripping out all the parts that could be reused. If you have paper on the plane it could be rebuilt with a LOT of parts from donor planes with bad paperwork. Even any good condition fasteners are worth saving.

Hope maybe someone fairly close can get up to take her, but afraid the value will be pretty low.

Hank

[T.Wiley]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

As I recall he found two T-crafts for sale in a garage sale back in 1980. One was build as a land plane and this one was built as a float plane. Dave was not a hard core (Keep it stock) kind of guy. He would have put the plane together in a manner that he thought was the most practical. If a post war plane had better side windows and better visibility he would have used them if possible. That is just the way he was.
It would be great if someone was interested in looking at it and also any of the other many parts that we have. We have many parts in storage that may or may not be from a t-craft. The problem is that I do not know what I am looking at when I go through the pile. Someday we will need to clear out all of the airplane parts and I hate to see them go to the dump for lack of knowledge. I will likely let this one go fairly cheap to someone that wants to salvage the parts and either put them together and build a plane of sell them to those in need. We are not really trying to make a lot of money on this, Although my mother could use it, I just think it should get back into use if possible.
Thanks for your assistance in identifying some of the parts.
Thanks,
Tim

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

Any parts you have questions on you can get an identification here. Just post a photo. Some of us really get a kick out of identifying parts in piles, and can often give you an idea of value (price and value are a bit different, but at least you will get an idea). You might be surprised at the part that looks like junk to you may be the diamond in the dirt pile.
If it is a part from around WW-II I will do my best to help you identify it (as will many others). Often you can get an offer to buy just from the photo.

Hank

[T.Wiley]

Re: Basket case for sale or ? 1941 BF 12 65 Float plane

Thanks for the suggestion. As I dig through all of the airplane parts I will see what might be in the pile. There are parts from many different planes, Cessna, Stenson, T-craft. I am not sure what all is there however I hate to see anything get tossed if someone can use it.
Thanks
Tim

[T.Wiley]

We still have the plane if anyone is interested.

[PA1195]

Tim it's not easy to comment. What would your father and family want to happen to his last airplane. Be put to rest or be reborn? An answer to that might be worth considering.

For example I owned a PA-18A that Swede Poulson from Montana died in chasing coyotes. I felt he was onboard for every flight I later made after it was reborn. Bad weather, mechanicals, dumb moves by me...he was there.

Gary

[Hank Jarrett]

Offer is still open for you to post photos and we will help you identify what parts you have and are missing. Whether you sell her for parts or restoration you won't get much interest without anyone seeing what is there. Start with photos of the whole pile and we will direct you to take more of the interesting bits. I would NOT sell anything until you have identified everything. If you sell the really hard to find bits first teh total value will fall quickly. Almost all restoration projects seem to be missing the same hard to find parts. Don't sell those off first or you will be left with a lot of "big pieces" that will be hard to sell and not worth much. EVERYBODY seems to have the tail pieces from past projects. They look nice but aren't worth much. Things like nose trim and correct door handles can be worth a lot.

Hank

[NC95842]

If this was on the east coast I'd be jumping at it for parts.

[n6346m]

Tim,
I could use a water rudder and a couple of hatch covers if available. PM or call me 907-399-7437

Bob Picard

[astjp2]

I could rebuild it...but it would be years. It has post war elevator according to the trim tab, I an not sure which rudder it has yet. I would just repair the airframe by swapping the right upper door hinge on a new airframe and probably the throttle cable mount...I have been offered similar cub projects for $1500 and turned them down just because I dont want another project. Tim

Post war rudder.

[PA1195]

May be be post war airframe if not just the tail. I'd want to grab the FAA CD records and see what's been documented before restoring. Especially given this recent FAA proposed directive regarding potentially destroyed or scrapped aircraft: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...er_8100.19.pdf

Gary