AC90-114B UPDATE to ads-b

[3Dreaming]

Thanks Tom, I think I was making it too complicated but get it now.

91.225(g)(2) says call at least an hour ahead of time for operation without ADS-b out.

Don't want to forget about that one.

Dave

(g) Requests for ATC authorized deviations from the requirements

There is no need to call for the airspace where you are already exempted, (g) is for deviations from the requirements of 91.225. Where you would need to request a deviation is if you wanted to fly into the class C or B airspace, or if you wanted to fly above class C or B airspace.

[3Dreaming]

Which means that I need to call to fly every time from my home airport? Since it is within the class B veil? that would suck, I would probably just say screw it and fly anyways...

No need to call to fly in the mode C veil if you are flying an exempted aircraft.

[Hank Jarrett]

Wait! I thought we could operate UNDER the C veil without ADSB. You can't fly OVER or THROUGH them without more hoops being jumped than is normally possible (like when we took some antiques into NAS Oceana for an airshow and had to fly in together with a Transponder equipped plane and special permission). But going UNDER was not considered to be IN those spaces. Am I reading it wrong?

[3Dreaming]

Wait! I thought we could operate UNDER the C veil without ADSB. You can't fly OVER or THROUGH them without more hoops being jumped than is normally possible (like when we took some antiques into NAS Oceana for an airshow and had to fly in together with a Transponder equipped plane and special permission). But going UNDER was not considered to be IN those spaces. Am I reading it wrong?

I don't think anyone has said anything to the contrary.

[Guest]

(g) Requests for ATC authorized deviations from the requirements

There is no need to call for the airspace where you are already exempted, (g) is for deviations from the requirements of 91.225. Where you would need to request a deviation is if you wanted to fly into the class C or B airspace, or if you wanted to fly above class C or B airspace.

Thank you Tom.

I installed the ads-b out & transponder but did not really understand the regs.

Thanks, Dave

[astjp2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=390&v=gT4v340FCYk&feature=emb_title

[astjp2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSeOR3nnx0

[Guest]

Thanks Tim,

Really good videos. They helped.

I am really happy that I got the ads-b out & transponder.

I know now that I am not smart enough to know where I could fly without it! LOL

Dave R

[waltermrich]

Very helpful video thanks for sharing it.

[woodmw]

Has anyone read or heard if ADS-B out equipment, after being installed, can be removed and the plane flown in non-mandated airspace, or in some cases, exempted airspace?

[3Dreaming]

Has anyone read or heard if ADS-B out equipment, after being installed, can be removed and the plane flown in non-mandated airspace, or in some cases, exempted airspace?

If ADS-B was required for an aircraft, it can not be removed and flown in exempted airspace. If the equipment was installed in an aircraft without an engine driven electrical system, then yes you can do that. For non mandated airspace don't think it is an issue.

[astjp2]

There is an FAR that says if the equipment is installed, it is not allowed to be shut off, once you have it, you are screwed.
91.225 (f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times.

[3Dreaming]

There is an FAR that says if the equipment is installed, it is not allowed to be shut off, once you have it, you are screwed.
91.225 (f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times.

That doesn't say it can't be removed, it says that if you are equipped it must be on. If you remove the ADS-b you are no longer equipped. The transponder regulations say basically the same thing, and transponders can be removed.

[Guest]

Part 91.215 (c) Transponder-on operation. While in the airspace as specified in paragraph (b) of this section or in all controlled airspace, each person operating an aircraft equipped with an operable ATC transponder maintained in accordance with §91.413 of this part shall operate the transponder, including Mode C equipment if installed, and shall reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC, unless otherwise directed by ATC when transmitting would jeopardize the safe execution of air traffic control functions.

Part 91.225 (f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times unless—

If I am ready these regs correctly I have to have ADS-b out on all the time but can switch of the transponder when not in the defined space. ADS-b out will still broadcast with x-ponder off but has some data missing.

Dave R

[woodmw]

My reason for asking about removal was that during a recent hangar flying session a guy stated that he had read that after installation, testing, registration, etc, into the ADS-B out community, it had to remain. I.E., once equipped, always equipped. And because it is equipped, it must be operated at all times during flight.

All this, coupled with the high number of aircraft not equipping, non-compliant in FAA speak, I think I can make a case that should I want to sell my plane, ADS-B equipment might be a deterrent to some potential buyers. They don't want to pay anything for it, don't want to maintain it, don't want to fly with it.

I am based in the Mode C veil, under the Class B of IAH, Houston Intercontinental. High flight activity. Like Dave R, I think it probably prudent that others see me electronically. And I believe that more and more pilots will depend on the electronic at the expense of visual contact. At least in mandated airspace.

Section 3.2 of the OP document, as noted by Tom, addresses non-electric equipped aircraft.
Section 3.3 seems to be an attempt to bolster interest of non-compliant aircraft owners to join the system with TABS equipment. Less expensive but still transmits position.

Considering all of this, the Trig ADS-B bundle provides most of the equipment needed for a TABS system. Need some items like antenna, wiring, coax, speed switch, etc. I would be part of the system, others will see me electronically, and I will be promoted to 'compliant' by the FAA.

One last point, I am well into an EAB biplane project. When completed, I want to be able to move the equipment from the Tcraft to the project if selling the "T".

Sorry for the length. I think I am trying to convince myself to go forward with the equipage.