Glove / Map Box

[Laz]

I am in the final throws of assembly of my BC12-D. I have elected to keep the glove /Map box and have original doors but no boxes. I know the originals were black cardboard, but I made some out of thin aluminum. I know the size of the boxes, roughly and there are a few dimensions in a very bad drawing I have from a Taylorcraft service manual. What I do not know and can't tell is were the boxes designed to fit inside the flanges on the openings of the instrument panel or did they fit on the outside of those 90 deg flanges.

If anyone knows I would appreciate your input. I have Jole's CD with all the pictures of his restoration but can't tell. Bob Lees made one but it does not show them installed.

This kind of detail stuff is killing me.

Laz

[Robert Lees]

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In mine, the (original) cardboard boxes fitted outside the instrument panel flanges.
The sprung piano hinge which closes the glove-box door is such that it is at 90* closed (and 180* when the door is open)

That's how I reproduced it (albeit with the new aluminium boxes) and it works fine.

[Hank Jarrett]

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I still had one original pressed paper glove box for mine and it fit outside of the flange on the panel. The cardboard ones before the war look like the same material as was used on old cars for the hat shelf in front of the rear windows but thinner, and the same thicker stuff was used for the glare shield. Post war a plastic material was used and I have an original of the one from the 45 passenger side. The pilots side had been drilled for a Motorola Airboy and the door and box were gone. I have an Airboy "lunchbox" radio for it but the brackets that held it are long gone. Anyone know how the removable radio was held in? I was thinking of using the front face and knobs as a glove box door so it would look like the old radio was there.
Hank

[Laz]

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Thanks Bob and Hank, Great help as usual. Hank I happen to have the " Radio installation bracket" for the Radio. It is only the front face plate, but it is original ( still has the original metallic blue paint ). It was designed so you could put the door back on if you like. I hate to give it up, but if you want to borrow it for a pattern, I will send it to you. Back to the shop. This plane will fly this summer and hopefully make to Oshkosh. Bob, are you going to make it this year?

Laz

[Hank Jarrett]

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Laz,
That would be great. I can make a drawing for anyone else who may come across an Airboy and want to put it in. I also have a buck for the pre and post war glove box doors if needed. I made my new ones from aluminum instead of steel (MUCH easier to form and if you need the strength of a steel door maybe you should restore railroad locomotives not airplanes!) Anybody remember who I gave the bar type box door handle mold to? I need to cast a couple more. I used the wrong resin and they got brittle.
Hank

[Laz]

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Hank I will send it to you , I still have your address from the Chafe Tape

[Robert Lees]

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Anybody remember who I gave the bar type box door handle mold to? I need to cast a couple more. I used the wrong resin and they got brittle.
Hank

Joel Severinghaus? He did me a couple of cast resin handles.

[M Towsley]

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Rob,

Joel seems to be definitely out of T-Crafts. I e-mailed him pictures of me and his old T-Craft that I found in Indiana while en-route to Alliance last year. I never have received any response e-mails from him since.

[TimHicks]

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That reminds me.
I finally got around to modeling my first draft of the Glove Box door handles.
See the attached renderings.
This was a fairly simple model. I plan to print a pair out on the Stratasys rapid-prototyping machine.
Then if they need modifying, I'll do that before printing the version that I'll use on my T.

I'll let y'all know how they turn out. If anyone wants the 3-d model file, let me know. I'm happy to distribute it (I created it in SolidWorks). Unfortunately, I can't get into making parts for anybody else because the Stratasys machine is a company resource that gets a bit too much attention for me to feel comfortable doing so.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Hang on to one of your prototypes. We may need it for a master to make a casting mold! ;-)
Hank

[Robert Lees]

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Talking of castings, Hank, I came across this link is from a VW car forum where a chap makes little aluminium castings, and although not directly linked to aviation, there are certain parallels that could be drawn in the aviation home-building world.

The chap's tenacity in making parts (of all types...just not his own aluminium furnace and castings therefrom) is a joy to see, as well as his ability to write a detailed photographic day-by-day blog on the subject at hand. He is evidently a capable draughtsman, chemist and metallurgist too, and I reckon he's under 50.

WARNING: It's a very long thread, with lots of photos, but very interesting if you have an engineering bent. I was staggered (and interested) by his simple approach to pattern-making, casting for example water pump housings, and his milling machine made of a simple router and a few pieces of timber.

It starts with the making of a small smelter made out of an old propane cylinder, which uses domestic gas to melt scrap castings to make new.

He's unhappy with the quality of VW plastic engine parts, so makes a wood blank to make a casting pattern, using dimensions from the original part.



And here's his result:



I'm from an engineering background myself, and I would think the various Car-Enthusiasts amongst us would appreciate this.

[Hank Jarrett]

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I love foundry work. There is just enough art and engineering mixed together to be new. Where is the link?
Hank

[rammon3]

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It must be past your bedtime, Hank . The link is right where Rob said " this link ".
Roscoe

[Hank Jarrett]

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Bad color vision. I didn't see it till I highlighted the post. That makes it pop out, but it actually was way past bed time.
I FINALLY got all of the new struts on the 41 and the wash out rigged. The tool for setting wash out alone worked great and the job can be done in about an hour with no help at all. I am going to go out today and measure the incidence angle at the root today so we will know what the actual twist in the wing is (not just the number of inches up to set the front spar). When we start the flight testing it will help to know what the ACTUAL angle of attack is. To know that you have to calibrate the "Alpha Probe". I should be able to measure the anle at each rib to see if it is a gentle twist or if it is more in some parts of the wing than others. Going to be fun!
Hank

[TimHicks]

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I had a chance to print out the Glovebox handles today on the rapid-prototyping machine.
It took about 50 minutes to print 4 handles.
I wanted to print them in white material. I thought that I had done everything correct to get white parts. But they came out blue.
I guess that I'll ultimately paint them.
The first picture shows the printer.
The second shows the inside of the printer.
The third shows the computer screen as I am laying out the parts in the orientation that I want to build them. I thought briefly about printing 6 of them.
Then it shows the parts partially built.
Then after the machine was finished. You can see that the voids in the part are filled with a second material called "filler" material. It is basically wax. Also the whole exterior is covered with filler material.