Tire 600x6 6ply

[Ragwing nut]

Re: Tire 600x6 6ply

look farther down at 22/ 210

22/ 210. Two main-wheel tires, 6.00-6, Type III with regular tubes
(a) 2-ply rating
(b) 4-ply rating
12 lb.(+2)
+5 lb. (+2)

Oh and to make this thread crazier, anyone with SHINN wheels is flying illegal. TCDS on states Firestone wheels, not SHINN. So make sure you have the right wheels as well.

[Guest]

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thanks we needed to stir this up a little more!

I sense an "occupy t-craft forum" movement building

[M Towsley]

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Whooo, thanks Mike. I have Firestones! hahahaha

[crispy critter]

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SHIT!!!! I have the shinns......airplane has been flying for nearly 70 years with them and now I find out that it won't fly that way. Oh well....lol. I've laughed my off over all this. Something as simple as one poor guy wanting to put classic looking tires on his bird accidently bougth 6 ply rather then 4 and it has probably raised more temper and dispute then anything in taylorcraft forum history. I think its time everyone makes up with a kiss and a hand shake.
For the poor guy who started this thread....your taylorcraft will not implode from the excess half pound of the 6 ply tires(I promiss) but just to make everyone feel better including yourself, install them and have your IA fill out a 337.....or ship them to me and I'll put'em on mine and I'll buy you a new set of 4 ply's.

[astjp2]

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What I am enjoying is I never said he couldn't or shouldn't put them on, I was preaching he needed an IA to get a field approval when he did. It was never an issue of a safer tire, just paper work. The FAA only cares about what is documented correctly, when its incorrect, that is when life gets difficult. I was expecting to see Forrest pipe in on this discussion, he is always preech'n type design....Tim

[ajfriz]

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SHIT!!!! I have the shinns......airplane has been flying for nearly 70 years with them and now I find out that it won't fly that way. Oh well....lol. I've laughed my off over all this. Something as simple as one poor guy wanting to put classic looking tires on his bird accidently bougth 6 ply rather then 4 and it has probably raised more temper and dispute then anything in taylorcraft forum history. I think its time everyone makes up with a kiss and a hand shake.
For the poor guy who started this thread....your taylorcraft will not implode from the excess half pound of the 6 ply tires(I promiss) but just to make everyone feel better including yourself, install them and have your IA fill out a 337.....or ship them to me and I'll put'em on mine and I'll buy you a new set of 4 ply's.

How do you know it won't implode?!? Have you completed any drop tests?!? I need to know if my airplane is safe to fly!!!

[Guest]

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Tim I agree with your comment above.

can you imagine doing your IA renewal in March with eight 337's for 4ply to 6 ply upgrades!

part time IA's have been missing an opportunity here

lol

Dave

[NY86]

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If its not on the TCDS, it can be minor if it is not adressed in appendix A, but if its a modification that changes it from the TCDS, then its a major....

I think these 2 statements conflict with each other. You can modify it from the type certificate (or aircraft specification) and, as long as that modification is not listed in appendix A as a major modification then it is not a major modification, rather it is a minor modification and no 337 is required. Now, it is up to the A&P to determine if the minor modification is appropriate or not. So, an A&P can determine (since it is not listed as a major modification) if going from 4 ply to 6 ply is appropriate or not. The same A&P could also consider going from 6 ply on a heavier plane to 4 ply. IMHO, he should decide this is not appropriate. Either way, it is still a minor modification and is done with a log book entry and no 337 is required. TMSAISTI!

[Laz]

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I could never imagine that such a simple question about 6 ply tires would have started such a long thread. My question of course was about handling characteristics of 6 vs. 4 ply. The type of paperwork to make it legal is a decision that will be made by my IA as it should be.
For the record my, IA says the ply issue has never been a big deal unless you put on a lighter ply than the AC is supposed to have. The fact is that many tires are not always available the lower ply ratings.

As for the guy who said maybe I should sell my T-craft and "Hanger fly". This type of comment can keep people from asking questions on this forum, which I believe is what it exists for. There are just too few of these great airplanes left and even fewer of us who care about them to screw us a great forum like this.

Thanks again to all of you with your helpful comments.

[Marv]

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In 1983 i bought a 1946 BC12D and i installed 6 py 600X6 McGreary tires on it. I used it for my training for my private ticket. My AI did not give me any hassle about this at all. I do not remember what entries if any, were entered in my logbook. It never came apart or gave any indication of handling problems. If i had anything to do with rules on airplane tires, you would definetly not be able to use a Taylorcraft for training, without 6 ply tires. Marv

[Larry Lyons]

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Well right, wrong, or indifferent, I talked to an old Taylorcraft owner who switched to 6 ply about 20 years ago, never gave it a thought and it has been annualed every year and by several different people in different shops, not a word from anyone. The guys involved with the new LSP aircraft were just in the right place at the wrong time!
L

[RobertP]

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For what it's worth on the F22 ( Tail Wheel ) The Tyres are 600 X 6 Type 111 four ply rating with tubes Tyre Pressure is 29 PSI but that's taken straight from the FAA Approved flight manual. It's the same size Tyres shown in my manual for my F22A ( Tri Gear ) but fairly recently I had a blow out on a very un spectacular cross wind landing and found that the 4 ply tyre had burst on the wall but I then discovered that the 6 ply tyre on the passenger side was ok! ( first time I had noticed the difference between the two tyres )

I changed the burst Tyre to 6 ply and made a concious decision to eat less pies and improve my cross wind landings! oh I made an entry in my Airframe log book as well about the change and my engineer signed it. Not sure if that was the correct way to go about it but it's staying like that! In any case the wheel and tyre came from the under carriage of a F22 which I had in my garage. I can't personally see that a stronger tyre which is fit for purpose is going to make much difference except add a little extra weight?

[M Towsley]

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Hey Laz,

Sometimes these things just take off. Sometimes they go absolutely nowhere and have no responses. It is the nature of the forum. I enjoyed reading and maybe learning something.

[jim cooper]

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1984...I was looking for a tail wheel for the stearman. Dusters and sprayers and others wanted big dough. Then another Stearman owner said " Do what several of us have done. We run the tire off of a Comet mower, you know, the one that looks like a go cart....the front tire." I quickly obtained one and the A&P put it on. Worked great! Sold the Stearman with it on. I have no idea what the ply was. I also have Shinn brakes. They work quite well but I must admit I don't use them much. JC

[M Towsley]

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JC,

They were talking about the actual wheels, not the brakes. There are wheels marked 'Firestone' and wheels marked 'Shinn'. Easy to confuse, though, I never paid that much attention.