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    As long as the engine and boot are off of the 41, I decided to pull the "H" and rudder pedals, all the pulleys in the nose and check all the cables really well. It was also a great excuse to pull the floorboards and make sure everything was clean under there (it wasn't, not by a LOOONG shot).
    What I found was a lot of little things that probably wouldn't actually kill me, but were just not right, like someone in the past had actually slathered the pulleys in grease, there was a HARDWARE STORE full of fasteners and junk under the floorboards, the brass shims were missing from the rudder pedals and the rudder return springs were rusty.
    The BIG deal, (the one that COULD kill me) was the fuel lines from the tank through the firewall were old, bad shape and had some plumbing fittings. The fuel cut off didn't even actually work! After fixing all the silly and scary problems I have run into a brick wall on those rudder return springs.
    The ones on the plane are ~5" long, the O.D. is 5/16" and the wire thickness is between .035 and.040" (hard to measure with the rust). Is that the correct size? Does anyone know where you can get these springs? I have seen a few planes with screen door springs and everybody should take a look to be sure they DO NOT have heavier springs! If a spring or rudder cable were to break and the spring was stronger than the air loads on the rudder the spring would pull the pedal all the way down on the other side and there would be no way to bring it back up. The "T" is a nice rudder plane, but imagine trying to fly one with the rudder full deflected! Those springs are SUPPOSED to be weak so air loads will be able to keep the rudder at least minimally deflected if a rudder cable fails.
    Back to my immediate problem, anybody know who sells the springs?
    Hank

    I would NOT fly if you find your plane has bigger springs behind the pedals. It's pretty easy to inspect for, but not very comfortable. Might want to check that fuel shut off too to see if it actually works!

  • #2
    Re: Rudder pedal return springs

    Home Aircraft Depot has lots of springs to choose from.
    Tractor and aircraft supply can help you also.
    Best Regards,
    Mark Julicher

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    • #3
      Re: Rudder pedal return springs

      That's not quite right, Hank.

      The rudder pedal springs keep the rudder pedals from falling aft flat on the floor when not in use.

      With both feet on the rudder pedals, in flight, the loss of one (or both) of those springs is inconsequential, and not a flight safety issue unless you remove one (or both) of your feet from the pedals.

      Rob.

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      • #4
        Re: Rudder pedal return springs

        Not so worried about the spring failing as the cable! If the spring breaks, you are right. You can even lift the pedal up with your foot and continue your flight.
        If the CABLE breaks, the spring on the broken cable side pulls the pedal foreward (of course it doesn't do anything anyway now). The OTHER pedal is the problem. There is nothing to keep its spring from pulling it forward too, and it still applies rudder input! If you use a Home Depot spring it may be strong enough to pull the rudder over against the air pressure. BAD DAY! That's why the springs from the factory were SO WEAK. They couldn't overcome the air pressure on the rudder. I have looked at the local Home Hangar and LOWES Aircraft supply and all the springs were WAY to stiff and or to short. Any of them (that I could find) were way to strong or as weak as a ball point pen spring and too short.
        Only takes a minute to look at the springs on your next pre-flight. If you see a BIG OLE HONKING spring, I would put the flight off.
        Hank

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        • #5
          Re: Rudder pedal return springs

          As someone who has had the pedal return spring break, I can tell you that with the correct springs it is no big deal. It is an iritant to an otherwise pleasant flight, but it is not dangerous. As Hank mentioned, with too strong of springs it would be bad.

          I have never had the rudder cable break. I have had a tail wheel spring come off on landing. That gets pretty exciting. I was able to control the rollout with breaks until they got hot and took a siesta. Then I did a slow speed ground loop and got a nice view of where I had just come from. I think if it hadn't been for a slight crosswind I wouldn't have needed so much brakes. Of course my springs are moused and triple checked before each flight now.
          Richard Pearson
          N43381
          Fort Worth, Texas

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          • #6
            Re: Rudder pedal return springs

            I have a few NOS springs from the Lock Haven factory still

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            • #7
              Re: Rudder pedal return springs

              Are those NOS tail wheel springs or rudder pedal springs? If you have the pedal springs I need 2!
              Hank

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              • #8
                Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                I also need 2 if they are for sale.
                Hal

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                • #9
                  Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                  Mike-

                  Sent you a PM. I would also like 2 if they are for sale.

                  Thanks,
                  -Bob

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                  • #10
                    Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                    Originally posted by Hank Jarrett View Post
                    Are those NOS tail wheel springs or rudder pedal springs? If you have the pedal springs I need 2!
                    Hank
                    they are pedal return springs.

                    I will count the number I have and let everyone know what they will be.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                      ALL RIGHT! The spring areas at all the local "Airport Depot" and LOWE'S aircraft parts supply don't have anything even close here. I was getting lose to building another spring winder and making a set.
                      Hank

                      For those who have never wound their own springs, I would suggest buying them. If one gets away from you while winding it a spring can do a lot of slashing as it unwinds! I have lost control of a little one and it really can slash up your fingers!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                        WE still ahve NOS rudder return springs with the chain and loop; Brand New ; $10.00 per set Barber Aircraft. 4.50 S&H [email protected]
                        Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
                        Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
                        TF#1
                        www.BarberAircraft.com
                        [email protected]

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                        • #13
                          Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                          I have 5 extra sets of pedal return springs. Grandfather had listed a sale price on them of $11 each back around 1990 when the Lock Haven plant was still open. Will sell for $30 a pair shipped priorty mail. Here is the list of people I have. you can snail mail payment or paypal

                          Hal (PAID)
                          Freighterpilot (PAID)
                          Hank
                          craig bailey (PAID)
                          Last edited by Ragwing nut; 08-16-2010, 21:15.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                            all pm's replied to, i have one set left pending payment from list above

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                            • #15
                              Re: Rudder pedal return springs

                              updated pending sales

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