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[Rex Havis]

I am trying to figure out the wood fairings around the cockpit.
The wood fairing that goes on the tube at the front of the cockpit where the top of the windshild attaches. How does the wood attach to the tube? This is a 1940 model and there are no attachment tabs welded to this tube. Behind the cabin area on the vertical tube, there are two tabs welded to this tube, one on the inside and one on the out side of the tube, both tabs extend to the rear and are below the rear wing attachment fittings. What goes on these tabs?
The wood that attaches to the rear of the gear carry through truss, there are two sets of tabs on the bottom tube. I know that the bottom set of tabs are used to attach the the wood, for the attachment of the fuselage cover, but what attaches to the second set of tabs they are above and about a half inch behind the lower tabs? The upper tube in the front of the gear truss that makes the front of the seat. I know that the wood that attaches the front of the seat sling attaches to the top of this tube, but there are tabs that face to the front, attached to this tube. What attaches to these fittings? I have the wing trim tab with the trim control that attaches to the front truss between the pilots legs. Last the wooden frame that goes around the bongee cards front and rear? Any help or if anyone has pictures of these areas and wouldn't mind posting them, they will defiantly be appreciated. Thanks Rex

[Guest]

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Hi Rex,

I tried to follow the descriptions but I got lost. Perhaps you some pictures you could post?

Dave

[mikeg]

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I am trying to figure out the wood fairings around the cockpit.
The wood fairing that goes on the tube at the front of the cockpit where the top of the windshild attaches. How does the wood attach to the tube? This is a 1940 model and there are no attachment tabs welded to this tube. Behind the cabin area on the vertical tube, there are two tabs welded to this tube, one on the inside and one on the out side of the tube, both tabs extend to the rear and are below the rear wing attachment fittings. What goes on these tabs?
The wood that attaches to the rear of the gear carry through truss, there are two sets of tabs on the bottom tube. I know that the bottom set of tabs are used to attach the the wood, for the attachment of the fuselage cover, but what attaches to the second set of tabs they are above and about a half inch behind the lower tabs? The upper tube in the front of the gear truss that makes the front of the seat. I know that the wood that attaches the front of the seat sling attaches to the top of this tube, but there are tabs that face to the front, attached to this tube. What attaches to these fittings? I have the wing trim tab with the trim control that attaches to the front truss between the pilots legs. Last the wooden frame that goes around the bongee cards front and rear? Any help or if anyone has pictures of these areas and wouldn't mind posting them, they will defiantly be appreciated. Thanks Rex

Hey Rex,
That's a mouth full. I'll see if I can sort this out (BTW, I have a '41 DeLuxe that is flying and a open cowl '40 that I am just beginning the restoration). OK:
1. The wood at the top spar carry through (top of the windshield) was attached with 2" pinked surface tape that was doped on to hold the wood in place.
2. I think the horizontal tabs you are talking about here are for attaching the forward end of the upper side stringers. They are about where the square verticle tube (and rear door frame) break about 15 degrees.
3. The tabs on the top of the gear carry through are for the aft end of the floorboards. On mine the floorboard slides under the tabs and a screw secures the tab to the plywood floorboard.
4. The forward edge of the seat sling rolls around a wood support that mearsure about 3/4" X 1 1/2" (or so). The forward seat sling bolts through the wood support into plate nuts in the four supports that face forward from the gear truss. These four supports have little tabs that stick out to the right and left. A vertical closure bulkhead from the floorboard to the under side of the seat sling screws to these tabs.
5. I can't help you with the wood structure around the bungees. This is missing from my '40 and the '41 DeLuxe is different.

Hope all this helps,
Mike
NC29804
NC27451

[mulwyk]

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These photos are of a '46 but might help:
1. framing around the bungee area below the seat
2. same area with the kick panel in place
3. same area with the seat sling wound around its batten

[mulwyk]

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Remember this is a '46:
1. trim crank with windshield fairing wood running left to right in background and stringer attached with screws
2. stringer attach at door frame

[Hank Jarrett]

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The seat and sling are out of my 41 right now and the wood around the bungee fairings is all exposed. If the 41 was the same as the 40 I can take some pictures. Any one know if they changed anything between the 40s and 41s?
Hank

[mulwyk]

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One more picture:
Here one floorboard is in place. In the right lower cornor of the photo is one of the seat attach/kick panel attach standoffs. The center floorboard attach tabs can be seem just to the left of the single floorboard. And below all is that wood trapezoid thing that goes between the landing gears.

[Robert Lees]

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The photo below shows the wood around the bungee area in our 1941 fuselage.

There are a bunch of photos of the woodwork on my 1946 model here, if that helps on the other matters.

[mikeg]

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The seat and sling are out of my 41 right now and the wood around the bungee fairings is all exposed. If the 41 was the same as the 40 I can take some pictures. Any one know if they changed anything between the 40s and 41s?
Hank

Hey guys,
Remember that the '41 is faired deeper and the shock cords are completely hidden in the fuselage. Their fairing is flat, whereas the pre-1941 and the '46 are blistered to clear the cords. PROBABLY (?) the only difference is the depth of the fairing itself. I don't know that for a fact. The '40 fairs just deep enough to fair the landing gear legs and the fairing covers are blistered to clear the cords, the '41 fairs deep enough to cover the cords. What I think we need (at least me) is the dimension of the OPENING itself so that the fairings will fit.
Later,
Mike

[mikeg]

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The photo below shows the wood around the bungee area in our 1941 fuselage.

There are a bunch of photos of the woodwork on my 1946 model here, if that helps on the other matters.

BTW, the gear bumper looks like it is split. It is important to glue them to the gear truss to keep them from splitting. Been there, done that.
Mike

[3Dreaming]

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Hey guys,
Remember that the '41 is faired deeper and the shock cords are completely hidden in the fuselage. Their fairing is flat, whereas the pre-1941 and the '46 are blistered to clear the cords. PROBABLY (?) the only difference is the depth of the fairing itself. I don't know that for a fact. The '40 fairs just deep enough to fair the landing gear legs and the fairing covers are blistered to clear the cords, the '41 fairs deep enough to cover the cords. What I think we need (at least me) is the dimension of the OPENING itself so that the fairings will fit.
Later,
Mike

There is 1941, and then there is the 1941 deluxe. Both are different, but the models were being built along side each other. Which triangle fairing you need will depend on the style of your landing gear. If your landing gear has some extra wires to fair the fabric you need the deeper triangle. Tom

[Robert Lees]

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BTW, the gear bumper looks like it is split. It is important to glue them to the gear truss to keep them from splitting. Been there, done that.
Mike

I had a good look at my full-size photos, Mike, and I can't see it myself (but then my eyesight ain't like wot it were). It does look a bit squashed.

I like the tip though! (does the same tip apply to Axe-Handle Savers?)

Rob

[mikeg]

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I had a good look at my full-size photos, Mike, and I can't see it myself (but then my eyesight ain't like wot it were). It does look a bit squashed.

I like the tip though! (does the same tip apply to Axe-Handle Savers?)

Rob

Rob,
I would imagine so, but then I have never used the axe handle savers. You might want to confirm with someone that has that experience.

Tom,
Forgot that my '41 is a DeLuxe.
Later,
Mike

[Rex Havis]

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Thanks to everyone for your help and pictures, they were a great help. Rex