It did not start

[Dan Michaels]

Well I got the Taylorcraft to the airport installed the wings, Rigged it and went over it with a fine tooth comb. Readjusted the ailerons so tha they were level with the wing. I wanted to taxi around a bit before tomorrow or Thursday when the IA shows up. This is my first time hand propping an engine other than the few times I did it at home without the wings. I read plenty on the procedure. This is what I came up with.

1. Set brakes.
2. Mags off
3. Turn on fuel
4. Prime 2 or 3 times
5. 2 turns of the prop (no more.)
6. Throttle all the way out.
7. Mags on.
8 Prop (I prop from behind on the right side).

Ran 1 sec maybe 2.

9. turn mags off
10. 4 through 8

Never got much more than a prumf after that.

Did the plugs frost over?
Flooded out?

Fuel still runs out the carb air box. I am going to go with a different needle and seat.

I had it good and warm, heated pad on oil and in a heated hanger for 2 hrs. covered.

Is winter starting harder than summer?

Dan

[Dick Smith]

Re: It did not start

Dan, don't rely on those brakes alone...especially until you know how that engine is going to react to starting attempts...tie the plane down with a rope around the tailspring...leading to something solid. I know of planes that have hit something on the startup for the first flight after a complete engine rebuild. Dick

[Forrest Barber]

Re: It did not start

I read plenty on the procedure ..... famous last words.
Have a competent person at the controls. Yes Winter is different, probably need more prime, can you find someone near you that can help out! At least chock her and tie tail down. Check for spark, smell for fuel. bye for now.

[Ragwing nut]

Re: It did not start

Fuel running our of carb is your indicator of way to much fuel. turn fuel off, mags off, pull through 10-20 blades, repeat start procedure without priming. If it does not start then, crack throttle, prime 2 twice, pull through 4-6 blades, mags hot and start.

side note: do you have a short stoke or long stroke primers? If you got a long one, on shot is plenty.

[Dan Michaels]

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Short stroke primer.

What I think I might try until I get the different needle and seat is turn on fuel prime then shut the fuel back off until started. I think that's the way I did it before.

Just wondering, I was told that if you go more than 2 turns of the prop you just took the fuel right out of the induction.
When I did just 1 revolution (two blades) it popped right off, just did not stay running.

I will tie it down. Maybe I should make a starter out of my dewalt drill.

Dan

[Dick Smith]

Re: It did not start

Dan, when starting the first time of the day, I give 1.5 to 2 shots, with the "long" primer, and pull it through 8 times...and it almost always starts...go figure! Dick

[Ragwing nut]

Re: It did not start

Short stroke primer.

What I think I might try until I get the different needle and seat is turn on fuel prime then shut the fuel back off until started. I think that's the way I did it before.

Just wondering, I was told that if you go more than 2 turns of the prop you just took the fuel right out of the induction.
When I did just 1 revolution (two blades) it popped right off, just did not stay running.

I will tie it down. Maybe I should make a starter out of my dewalt drill.

Dan

Yeah, it sucks it into the cylinder where it meets fire and runs.......

[KewFlyer]

Re: It did not start

Dan, when starting the first time of the day, I give 2 shots, with the "long" primer, and pull it through 8 times...and it almost always starts...go figure! Dick

Dan:
If you can find some help, have someone pull the primer out when proping...following Dick's procedure... and baby it until it catches and runs... we use it sometimes and it happens to us on cold starts, eventhough the oil has been warm for about an hour or less. You could also try pulling it 4 times instead of 8 times until you get it. Each machine has its own trick...go figure. If you dont tie the tail, use choks ... you dont want to be chased by a prop. My 2 cents..hope it works for you.
Ralph

[FunkyMonkey]

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I usually start with the throttle cracked a bit, rather than all the way out.

[rcefird]

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Dan
I,too, am a novice. I, too, read all that these guys write because there is a wealth of experience here. However, we have two taylorcrafts and a cub at our strip, all with continental 65 engines, and all crank a little differently. I was really frustrated at first, but with trial and error have found how mine cranks. Here is what I have found--mine was doing exactly like yours.
In cold weather, I prime 2-3 times (and gas is running out of the air intake), then I pull through 4-6-8 times (depends how I feel). Then with everything secured (as you described), Mags on, throttle closed, primer partially out(so I can prime some more when it is kicking)-then I pull through and once it is hitting I slowly open the throttle (while sometimes giving a little squirt with the primer) until it catches up and runs smooth. To me it is kind of like having the choke closed on a lawnmower engine. During warm weather, it cranks totally differently (prime-crack the throttle-ppull through and away we go). Like I said, both the other taylorcraft and cub crank somewhat differently.
I hope you can find your formula-just don't get frustrated.
Randy

[robbie]

Re: It did not start

I found mine starts easier with av gas when it's as cold as it is now.
I need to add a few shots of primer till it runs smothly
Good luck on flying it, this winter has been cold or windy and have done very little flying this year.

[Dan Michaels]

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Thanks for all the replys I am going to try tomorrow hopefuly with some help.

Dan

[NY86]

Re: It did not start

What works for me:

Close the throttle all the way and prime it once (depending on temp.) Leave the primer unlocked. Pull the prop through for 8 compression strokes. Turn the mags on, crack the throttle and pull again. Usually goes in one pull.

If you think it's flooded, mags off, throttle open, pull *backwards* 12-20 compression strokes, then start over.

[Dan Michaels]

Re: It did not start

Pretty crappy day today and not much better tomorrow. I picked up a 172 to do an annual on today and almost got lost only 10 miles away. I had to turn on the VOR to find my way. Legal VFR but just barely it did not help that the sun was going down.

Maybe this weekend.

[Carrieve]

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Fire! Fire! Whenever I start mine after a long winter or rebuild I make darn sure I have an extinguisher VERY close by. Gas running out of the carb (normal at times) and then one backfire. I had that happen on a ramp far from home. Not a good day. Just my 2 cents worth