A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 12 Dec 2007)

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

The other side of the story, this is the reply I received from Airframes Inc. :

Dennis,
Unfortunatly the STC is not listed on faa.gov website yet, so that might explain some mis information you are recieving. We do have an STC to for these struts and they will meet the requirments listed on AD 2007-16-14.

On the last line on our STC under Limitations and conditions:

4) These FAA approved sealed lift struts are an approved replacement for part numbers MA-a815 and MA-a854 and meet the requirements of Airworthiness directive 2007-16-14.
That is copied verbatim from the STC . DO you need somthing else from me to satisfy your disbelieve.

I can fax you a copy of the STC. Or I you can call the FSDO office that engineered the entire project here in alaska.

Regards,

Levi Ward

I sent them my money due to several Taylorcraft owners are very satisified with their work and service and appear to be honest.

See red above.

My bet is that Andy McAnual is going to say approved by who? I am the only one that can approve that and I didn't.

I (Dave) do not beleive that the FSDO has that authority over the AD.


Dave

[robbie]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

Update on wag-aero t-craft struts.
Paper work moving, need Texas FAA to sign off on the AMOC. Hope to be making struts in a couple of weeks. Will be completive with Univair in price.
Are taking names to call when struts are manufactured. Ask for Tom.

[flyguy]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

Soooo- They now have a STC to allow the PMA to comply with the AD that covers the SB. But if you don't have a PMA you can still sign off the AD for the SB under the AMOC for a PN by applying to the FAA for a....

Darn, I got lost there somewhere.

I think my problem is going to be getting my IA to sign off on all this C.R.A.P.
DC

[N95334]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

The other side of the story, this is the reply I received from Airframes Inc. :

Dennis,
Unfortunatly the STC is not listed on faa.gov website yet, so that might explain some mis information you are recieving. We do have an STC to for these struts and they will meet the requirments listed on AD 2007-16-14.

On the last line on our STC under Limitations and conditions:

4) These FAA approved sealed lift struts are an approved replacement for part numbers MA-a815 and MA-a854 and meet the requirements of Airworthiness directive 2007-16-14.

That is copied verbatim from the STC . DO you need somthing else from me to satisfy your disbelieve.

I can fax you a copy of the STC. Or I you can call the FSDO office that engineered the entire project here in alaska.

Regards,

Levi Ward

I sent them my money due to several Taylorcraft owners are very satisified with their work and service and appear to be honest.

[flyguy]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

From the FAA PMA list

20071017 10/17/2007 40 LIFT STRUT AF-MA-A815AF-MA-A815 MA-A815 Airframes Inc PO Box 521759, Comanche Circle Big Lake AK 99652 United States
20071017 10/17/2007 40 LIFT STRUT AF-MA-A854AF-MA-A854 MA-A854 Airframes Inc PO Box 521759, Comanche Circle Big Lake AK 99652 United States

Looks pretty clear to me.

DC

[lfries]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

I'm with Mike. I was ready to buy from airframes. The confusion created by the AMOC has scared me for now. Hopefully a reply from Andrew will get me back on track. Weather is very flyable so it hurts. I have no quarrel with Univair. I just prefer to buy from the party who started at a "fair" price.

[Mike]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

I am not aware of Ariframes Inc struts being approved as terminating action. If they have a PMA approval, then their supplement should state the OEM part number they are approved to replace.

Well, it's pretty easy to do a search for PMA parts on the FAA website, and Alaska Airframes holds a PMA for replacements for MA-A815 and MA-A854. That satisfies the AD.

[astjp2]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

You know, its pretty f***ing amazing that a newly PMA'd part does not meet the criteria for a terminating action, if thats the case, why even get a PMA, just have the FAA come out to inspect and certify each individual part for conformance, once the rotorcraft group in TX gets overwhelmed, maybe then they would use a little common sense....god this whining shit pisses me off!

[N95334]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

I ordered my struts from Airframes Inc in ak.
but recv'd this e mail????????????

Mr. McGuire,

The AMOC comments appear to be correct. A copy of the AMOC is available in the Docket and I believe a copy is also posted on the www.taylorcraft.com website. I am not aware of Ariframes Inc struts being approved as terminating action. If they have a PMA approval, then their supplement should state the OEM part number they are approved to replace. Airframe Inc can also present data to the FAA under an AMOC request to substantiate their struts are acceptable for terminating action. So far they have not contacted our office requesting this. Hope this answers your questions.

Andy McAnaul

What is going on now????

[Wayne Bradney]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

Sorry Robbie,
I didn't go back and read the latest posts before putting out my post on UNIVAIR.
Wayne Bradney

[Wayne Bradney]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated 10 Nov 2007)

I just received a flyer from UNIVAIR and in that flyer are new sealed lift struts for BC12D and BC12D1 models with a price of $499.00 for the front strut, P/N UA-A815 and $449.00 for the rear strut, P/N UA-A854. These are FAA-PMA'd Sealed Lift Struts. Approval for other models have pending reduced prices.

Wayne Bradney

[robbie]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated Oct 2007)

Rob

My reasoning is you lower your cost per strut if you are making 50 of them vs 2.
Take Univair (God bless them) old Taylorcraft struts were $2800.
Then this Ad and a little competition and bing go, they are now $1900.
Yea, Airframes made them drop some for sure but I'm sure their labor is less when making a batch of them at one time.
Time will tell Rob, lets see were the cost is in a year or so.
I bet Airframe will not be at $1800 this time next year.
The Gospel according to Robbie

[Buell Powell]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated Oct 2007)

Well, I'm just trying to figure the best way to get my T/craft legal again. I decided that the best way is to get new struts and take care of the fitting SB at the same time. Mr. McAnaul said that once Univair or another supplier gets the PMA for my plane and it gets to him that it would only take a couple of days to get the AMOC. I think something as critical as the struts,especially with the recent AD may just take more testing and paperwork. I don't mind being grounded for a while but if its going to take months for Wag Aero or Univair to get the AMOC them I think I will order from Alaska Airframes and pay the extra shipping. I think there are some struts that do need replacing and the AD is probably due-it's just the timing and the fact that the only source for replacements for the F-series and pre-wars (which was supposed to be the factory) has not been able to produce struts before the deadline and if they had- were just too expensive for a lot of us.

[Robert Lees]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated Oct 2007)

The suppliers out there now are selling their struts as cheap as they are going to be.

Why do you think that, Robbie? (not disagreeing, just asking)?

[jstall]

Re: A list of lift strut suppliers (updated Oct 2007)

Robbie,
I called Wag Aero yesterday and talked to Tom O'Neal. He is supposed to call me Monday after checking on getting the AMOC. When I hear from him I will let you know. Tom said they have hundreds of PMA's and for some reason getting the paperwork from the FAA for the Taylorcraft struts has been much more of a problem than anything else they have done. If you hear anything please let me know. I called Univair and they said it could be months before they get the pre-war's and F19s added to their PMA. I am getting some struts for a Cub and was hopeing to order everything together to save on shipping but I may order my T/craft struts from Alaska Airframes if it looks like it will be a very long time before Wag Aero has the AMOC.

Buell:

I can't agree more, in fact this whole thing is very strange in deed. I'll call you in morning, and we can visit. I've been in the or arround the A/C business as long as anyone in this forum, both as pro-pilot and mechanic, and I'll tell ya, this one is wierd period, why it ever happened as it did, then the absence of inspections, and the other ??KKK??"" or why what and where?? well??------ Taylorcrafts have "never had a in flight strut failure. Yes recently an attach point fails, very bad deal. Next factory gets into
the deal of working an AD on the struts, not attach point?? why, well go figure, what makes the most money?? Now they are not producing, and the market is being gobbled up by ledgimate factories. Its a sad set of events


JS