aileron Brackets

[O.Taylor]

Re: aileron Brackets

We will need to coordinate with the welder to make sure there is enough work left in the parts to qualify as “owner produced” when he builds them.

I don't have the paperwork here with me, but isn't one of the five things (tests) is to supply the material??then the owner signs the logbook as the "producer" and it is airworthy, then the A&P installs it with a signoff, something like that, then as Bill O has said, the papertrail can follow the moneytrail, or was it the other way around?? Just a thought, O.T.

[Laz]

Re: aileron Brackets

It is the one on the left. Actuially that is the center one. The ones with a problem on mine are the inboard and outbard which do not have the belkcranck on them. I have attached a picture of one and the corrosion area. These are magniesium. You can see the pitting os wher there is a small steel L tab attached useing that small hole.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: aileron Brackets

Laz,
Those are defiantly the Mag ones. Actually that one looks really good compared to the ones I have seen (I wouldn't use yours either but mine literally fell apart. They looked like potato chips!). Doesn't anyone have a picture or the tube ones?
Hank

[Pearson]

Re: aileron Brackets

Here is a picture of one I took on someones airplane that looks like an owner produced part. It looks like it was made out of C channel.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: aileron Brackets

That's the hinge fitting that pre-dated the one Laz showed. It should be fairly easy to make from some "U" section, flat steel and a piece of tube for the hinge itself if we can get one to build the fixture. Looks like the ones on my 41. The complex one is the one that includes the bell crank like in Richards’s picture only from tube (the crank itself and the pushrod tube to the aileron look the same on my planes).
Hank

[Laz]

Re: aileron Brackets

The one with the Bellcrank on it does not seem to suffer from the dissimiler metal corrosion. The metal one in the photo should be easy to make an reproduce. That type of "Bench welding" vs out of postion welding in tight spaces is fairly easy to Tig weld and would be stronger than original. Im sure it would be safer the old cast ones.

[Pearson]

Re: aileron Brackets

Laz,

I agree. I bet Mr. Taylor never thought his airplanes would still be flying 60 years later.

[Larry Lyons]

Re: aileron Brackets

The aileron brackets that come off the rear spar out to the aileron, that I have are made up of little square tubes welded up. They are in excellent shape, all they need is sand blasted and put back in a wing. I just need a wing the mice have not been using for a home for 33 years LOL.
Larry

[Ragwing nut]

Re: aileron Brackets

I have a jig for the inner and outer I got with a clipwing project but have never used it. There is a letter that would need to be filled out along with a drwaing made if the original is not available to qualify as owner produced. As long as you are not deviating from the print in any way, no testing should be required. The inner and outer would be easy to fabricate, the center on will be more complex.

Mike

[dedrekon]

Re: aileron Brackets

Here's a pic of each. Hopefully you'll be able to see them OK, I just shot them from the wings out in the shop. 1st is the mag and then the steel.

V

[Larry Lyons]

Re: aileron Brackets

"Ded" yours look diffeent then mine. I will try to get a pic. posted today. As mine are off I will take a couple pics. Larry

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: aileron Brackets

Vince (dedrekon),
Those pictures of the middle hinge fitting are exactly like the ones in my 45 (mag) and 41 (steel). My steel one looked a lot like the picture and a quick blast made it look like brand new. The Magnesium one didn't come back so well (no, I didn't blast it, I was afraid it would "go away". If there has been mouse urine on the Magnesium parts you will probably have to write them off. All we still need is an example tube middle one and an end one for making a fixture.
Not to throw a wrench in all this, but has anyone looked to see if the right and left middle hinge fittings are mirror image?
Hank

[Larry Lyons]

Re: aileron Brackets

I was wrong my hinge supports are C or U shape. As I am having trouble attaching the photos I will do just one here. If it works I can do more. Larry

[Larry Lyons]

Re: aileron Brackets

OK 2nd time is a charm ( I hope). The hinge points are supported on
steel channel. The center pivot is made of steel tube, again none of this cleaned up yet. The inner support had a small piece of wood taped to one support to give a wear point for the cable to rub on. Larry

[Forrest Barber]

Re: aileron Brackets

The cast ones have the corrosion problems noted. Remember the early B & the later B have "revised aileron travel" that is right from the Type Certificate which is ignored too much these days. For a while the factory in Lock Haven used the center one in all position with the hinge tabs in palce on all. they ran out. the flaps on the F-22 used a modified aileron hinge.
I do not a solution for many issues , I have sold about 10 of them since the first of the year. centers are not mirror image , the parts list plainly explains the numbers L & R.