brakes

[docflyboy]

Is there a stc for hydrolic brakes for the bc12d,s yet I heard someone was working on that

[Robert Lees]

Re: brakes

Hi Doc, welcome to the forum.

Why would you be needing hydraulic brakes? Obviously not on skis or floats, so you must be running BIG Tundra tyres, eh?

Are you on Clevelands or Shins?

Rob

[docflyboy]

Re: brakes

the craft has shinn brakes that don't work to sute the owner it has org running gear

[tim]

Re: brakes

ya i was wondering about the same thing today out at my local fbo saw them put small dick brakes on a j3 the owner told me that they would not nose her over when u steped on the brakes and thought i needed them on my tcraft

[Dusty]

Re: brakes

I looked hard and couldn't find anything to put Clevelands on a BC-12D. You could probably get a field approval to convert to F-19 legs with straight axles and Clevelands (send me a copy of your 337 if you do!). There is a picture of a hydraulic "mock-up" somewhere on this site that looks like a great setup.

A huge part of good brakes is consistency - grabby brakes are dangerous if you're working in really tight places. The Shinns (all drum brakes) are grabby without being very effective, even on little tires (8.50 is as small as I've ever flown). With 26" tires, you can mash on the brakes all you want without actually making anything happen.

Tim - if you don't have enough brakes to lock your tires up, you could land shorter. If you abuse them you can get into trouble. Simple solution: don't abuse them!

[Dennis Keels]

Re: brakes

Shins worked for sixty some years back when the long runway was 1000' long why not save some money and adjust or rebuild the shins.

[jgerard]

Re: brakes

The hydraulic conversion I was working on has been delayed due to other responsibilities. If I had Shinn brakes I would not even consider swapping. My experience with properly setup Shinn brakes is that they are more than adequate even with 26" Alaska bushwheels. I almost put it on her nose a few times. The Shinns would lock up and skid 8.50's on pavement. The OEM mechanical Cleveland's on my F19 are not as effective.

[docflyboy]

Re: brakes

We put a set of cleveland disc brakes on a J3 cub and they work great for mamnuevering about the airport ramp in tight places on a windy day.

My BC12D will slide the tires in the grass if you really get on them, it to has shinns but it took a lot of maintance to get,em to that point.

hydro brakes are much less maintance and are more reliable in my opinion, just trying to help out a fellow tcart driver
so if any one has some info on the disc brakes for a BC12D I,d be greatfull

[Dusty]

Re: brakes

Bigdaddy: 1000' is about 4 times what I can get OUT of in my Tcart. If I had better brakes, it would also be 4 times what I can get INTO.

The single-puck Clevelands on my Champ won't lock my 31" Bushwheels unless I'm fairly light or on fairly big gravel, but they're still way better than any drum brakes I've ever been around. How does one properly adjust the Shinns to lock Bushwheels?

[Ragwing nut]

Re: brakes

I thought about an STC but the cost to develop and sell would not be cheap. I figured close to $2K just for the kit, not including installation. Swick had an STC for 5.00x5 cleavelends but he won't sell the stc anymore.

Mike

[Pearson]

Re: brakes

Mike

I came up with over 3k without adding anything for a little profit or liability insurance. It just isn't economically feasable.

[Acroeric]

Re: brakes

Robbie Grove in California (Grove Aircraft) recently released a disk brake kit for Piper Cubs via an STC. I would think that if enough folks asked him he may do the same for the Taylorcraft. I saw his kit- they are really nice and sized for the weight of aircraft we operate.

As for getting in really short with the Shinns- I routinely work out of a 600 ft strip here locally with good margin but I am still on the 6.00x6's. I can hold the C85 at close to full power but I am really standing on them. I am sure the bigger tires reduce their effectiveness.

[Ragwing nut]

Re: brakes

Mike

I came up with over 3k without adding anything for a little profit or liability insurance. It just isn't economically feasable.

My point exactly and my figure was from several years ago.

Mike

[Ragwing nut]

Re: brakes

Robbie Grove in California (Grove Aircraft) recently released a disk brake kit for Piper Cubs via an STC. I would think that if enough folks asked him he may do the same for the Taylorcraft. I saw his kit- they are really nice and sized for the weight of aircraft we operate.

As for getting in really short with the Shinns- I routinely work out of a 600 ft strip here locally with good margin but I am still on the 6.00x6's. I can hold the C85 at close to full power but I am really standing on them. I am sure the bigger tires reduce their effectiveness.

Cub already has hydraulic master cylinders with straight axles so it is just a metter of installing a cleaveland kit. Taylorcraft as you know would require considerable more parts and modifications to install

Mike

[taylorcraftbc65]

Re: brakes

Shins worked for sixty some years back when the long runway was 1000' long why not save some money and adjust or rebuild the shins.

I agree. If you go back to the early 2004 posts, you will notice that I wanted hydraulics too. After three years, and many landings, I have gotten used to the Shinns, and would not replace them unless the original parts were no longer available, and even then, I would make the modifications required to run the Cleveland mechanicals off a 7AC Champ. Sabrina