When looking for parts!

[jstall]

I won't touch facebook, or twitter bad actors

[astjp2]

Own nothing!

[Hank Jarrett]

Kind of why I like the idea of a Foundation (us) owning the TCs. WE would be the board that made those decisions. Best thing would be if the value of the Foundation was so low that if someone sued you took the sign over the door down and told the person, "Your company now. Talk to the volunteer secretary over there and she will give you this months bills to pay." Lawyers walk away from cases where tehre are no assets to seize. Just have to structure the company so there is no value to go after.

[Jim Herpst]

And then some of those SIDs become ADs. I think the sealed strut inspections started when the car dealer named Harry owned Taylorcraft. Not saying it is a bad thing but

[astjp2]

Be careful what you wish for. In an odd way we're kind of lucky there's no owner/manufacturer. In the litigious world we live in there would be a steady stream of cya "supplemental" inspections, mandatory life limits on certain components, service bullitens, letters etc etc. Most of it originating at the board table, not the engineering department as the legal department learns that 70+ year old aircraft are still flying around with there corporation's name on them!

If you've looked through the Cessna SID inspections you'll know what I mean.
S

Scott, In the states, that is no longer 100% true, partly because of the Rotax heavy training issue fiasco, the FAA has said that unless it is an AD, we do not have to comply with updated airworthiness limitations issued by the manufacturer. Dave Rude posted a legal determination that states that if it was legal when it was certified, then unless it becomes a regulatory item (AD) then it is good for the life of the aircraft/engine/accessory. Tim

[Jim Herpst]

Tim, given that we are not in a totally bad spot. I do also see Hanks points of group ownership ...getting the tooling. Just a big piece to bite into

[astjp2]

That's why doing it through a Foundation is better. Owners could use the tooling to make OWNER PRODUCED parts. All the responsibility has to go to the owner or his mechanic. Other Types have done it through their type groups. What is needed is to have the tools and a place to put them as well as facilities for member to get to them. We have several of the key pieces, but not enough to drop the hammer.

the owner only needs to request it to be built.

[Hank Jarrett]

That's why doing it through a Foundation is better. Owners could use the tooling to make OWNER PRODUCED parts. All the responsibility has to go to the owner or his mechanic. Other Types have done it through their type groups. What is needed is to have the tools and a place to put them as well as facilities for member to get to them. We have several of the key pieces, but not enough to drop the hammer.

[Jim Herpst]

Scott,

I made the same statement earlier and in this thread I believe. Indeed that is the unfortunate other side to all this

[Scott]

Be careful what you wish for. In an odd way we're kind of lucky there's no owner/manufacturer. In the litigious world we live in there would be a steady stream of cya "supplemental" inspections, mandatory life limits on certain components, service bullitens, letters etc etc. Most of it originating at the board table, not the engineering department as the legal department learns that 70+ year old aircraft are still flying around with there corporation's name on them!

If you've looked through the Cessna SID inspections you'll know what I mean.
S

[Jim Herpst]

Well I wish you could get some of that tooling... Or someone like minded that would DO!

We do need it!

[astjp2]

Tim, That is precisely why a mfg of our plane is needed.... For parts! It was suggested long ago that the new Taorcraft company engage in making parts. Univare is charging what supply and demand will support . They have a limited supply and we have still a good number of our birds flying or being restored.. Pipers not so the same situation. If the new Taylorcraft company had done just parts..then as suggested work on an updated Taylorcraft (The timing at that time would have been perfect as LSA was just around the corner!) Damed great kit as a experimental using some updated ideas ..like a bigger cabin and much less labor intensive wing ....the tube spars ply ribs like the Avid and now successful Kit Fox line that in my opinion started as simply a copy of them. Wow.! But here we are in reality...At least we have an ample supply of Taylorcrafts!

Jim, I would be happy to have enough tooling to build some of the parts, having an alternate is about the best we can hope for. Tim

[Hank Jarrett]

The concept is still alive. A business plan was created to do exactly what Jim is describing, we just need to get all the paper right with the FAA. There is even a nice piece of property available next to an airport here in SE VA. What is needed is the Type Certs for at least teh BC12-D and earlier (the later ones are really tied up) and some way to get the tooling that was tossed into storage when the late model planes TCs went to Mexico.

Hank

[Jim Herpst]

Tim, That is precisely why a mfg of our plane is needed.... For parts! It was suggested long ago that the new Taorcraft company engage in making parts. Univare is charging what supply and demand will support . They have a limited supply and we have still a good number of our birds flying or being restored.. Pipers not so the same situation. If the new Taylorcraft company had done just parts..then as suggested work on an updated Taylorcraft (The timing at that time would have been perfect as LSA was just around the corner!) Damed great kit as a experimental using some updated ideas ..like a bigger cabin and much less labor intensive wing ....the tube spars ply ribs like the Avid and now successful Kit Fox line that in my opinion started as simply a copy of them. Wow.! But here we are in reality...At least we have an ample supply of Taylorcrafts!

[astjp2]

My only issue is that A Pacer gear is like $900, but Univair is double that for the Taylorcraft gear...and their cast aileron hinges are something like $700 each.