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  • A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

    There was a recent discussion about the knurled aileron pins and bushings but cannot locate it now.

    I decided to buy six new knurled pins and six new bushings from Univair as Wag-Aero does not seem interested in making the knurled aileron pin. This is too bad as Wag Aero's knurled pins for the elevator/rudder are very reasonably priced.

    My order was for six pins at $15.55 ea., (ouch), and bushings at $2.12, (I know I can source locally the bushings but a couple of bucks apiece is easier to deal with than searching locally). Total came out to $106.02 plus shipping, which was cheap at First Class postage. I think I am paying for their knurling machine at that price, and no, there is no one locally to me who does knurling.

    The pins are nicely done, the bushings are just a hair long and need to be barely trimmed to fit. The pins fit the bushings until they are installed in the aileron hinge. Once the bushings are installed they need a ream, or in my case a drill bit run-through carefully by hand, to fit the pins perfectly.

    I was lucky as the slop was in the bushings rather than the aileron hinge bracket. I was worried as the wrong, (plain) pins were installed way back when at time of restoration by prior owners. (My tail feather pins were the same plain pins when I changed them to knurled ones a couple of years ago). I think the Univair aileron pins may be just a hair larger in diameter than the pins installed in my plane. They are also a bit longer than the ones that had been installed. I will do a quick measurement between old and new next time I am at the hangar.

    Anyway, I now have no slop in the ailerons. It is amazing how a little bit of slop shows movement in the control surface. I think the Univair pins are well-done and work well, as long as you can get over the price.
    Cheers,
    Marty


    TF #596
    1946 BC-12D N95258
    Former owner of:
    1946 BC-12D/N95275
    1943 L-2B/N3113S

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    Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

    Here are the measurements and some pictures.

    Old pins: .244 diameter 1.050 length

    New pins: .246 diameter 1.110 length
    Attached Files
    Cheers,
    Marty


    TF #596
    1946 BC-12D N95258
    Former owner of:
    1946 BC-12D/N95275
    1943 L-2B/N3113S

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    • #3
      Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

      Marty,

      Thank you for the information.
      Greg House
      Brookshire, TX
      TF #1089
      BC12-D
      N96043

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      • #4
        Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

        Thanks, Greg, appreciate the comment! I'd leave a thumbs-up but can't figure that one out.
        Cheers,
        Marty


        TF #596
        1946 BC-12D N95258
        Former owner of:
        1946 BC-12D/N95275
        1943 L-2B/N3113S

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        • #5
          Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

          I think if I were doing a restoration I think I would check into getting an approval to weld a little tab to the aileron hinge bracket, and use a flattened side to the head of the pin to stop the rotation.

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          • #6
            Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

            Great idea, Tom. The other idea I recently saw is to put threaded inserts on a plate so the hinge bracket can be removed and replaced at will. (As long as one is doing a restoration might as well).
            Cheers,
            Marty


            TF #596
            1946 BC-12D N95258
            Former owner of:
            1946 BC-12D/N95275
            1943 L-2B/N3113S

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            • #7
              Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

              I had very good results by doing this;

              first making sure that the stamped steel hinged was flared a little bit it so that it was wider at the opening than at the base where it bolts to the aileron spar,

              install the pin thru the stamped hinge (outer) and the bushed hinge (inner),

              the cotter pin hole will probably be covered by the outer hinge because it is "flared",

              gently squeeze the outer hinge "closed" with pliers see if you can fit a washer on the cotter pin end of the pin and still get the cotter pin in, put a washer in if you can,

              hold the outer hinge closed with the pliers and install the cotter key,

              the outer hinge should now be slightly compressed by the cotter key and washers (if they fit),

              put blue Loctite on the pin head and on the cotter end too, I liked blue but other colors should work too.

              My aileron pins stayed put in the outer hinge and rotated with the aileron when I did it that way.

              Dave R

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              • #8
                Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                Originally posted by M Towsley View Post
                Great idea, Tom. The other idea I recently saw is to put threaded inserts on a plate so the hinge bracket can be removed and replaced at will. (As long as one is doing a restoration might as well).
                Oh yes, good idea!

                I had the bracket that the push-pull rod attaches to at the center of both ailerons become loose and I had to tighten the bolts/nuts.

                Cut the fabric, tighten and then do fabric work to repair and dope it, what a pain.

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                • #9
                  Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                  There's a good chance it was the spar getting "tired" as opposed the the bolts coming loose..... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ANbIKqjPrC...0/DSCN2689.JPG

                  I had done the same thing many years ago and was a little shocked at what i found when the ailerons were eventually taken apart.
                  Scott
                  CF-CLR Blog: http://c-fclr.blogspot.ca/

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                  • #10
                    Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                    I had put new spars in at the prior recover about 13 years earlier but I agree with you they could be getting tired or I perhaps should have tightened them more at that time.

                    Either way avoiding the fabric work would have been nice.

                    Dave

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                    • #11
                      Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                      I hear ya
                      I elected to put in some half-size access rings just in case.
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                      Scott
                      CF-CLR Blog: http://c-fclr.blogspot.ca/

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                      • #12
                        Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                        I installed T nuts that way if I need to snug up the aileron attach fittings then I can. So far they have survived -60 to 100° F and not needed to be tightened. Tim
                        Attached Files
                        N29787
                        '41 BC12-65

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                        • #13
                          Re: A8001 Knurled Aileron Pins/A8036 Bushings

                          Yep,
                          Did you manage to find self locking T nuts?. Anyway after going to all the trouble of making new spars, and four coats of urethane, and bearing in mind the terrible condition i found the spars in, i tried to keep water out in the future by keeping the urethane intact.

                          Considered fabricating nut plates like Rob did but in the end i figured better to use the penny washers/locknuts and just having access would cover most eventualities.
                          Scott
                          CF-CLR Blog: http://c-fclr.blogspot.ca/

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