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  • NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

    The DC FSDO has stopped me cold by changing their interpretation of FAA rules each time I call. Here's the current situation and a call out to the Tribe for help.

    1. This BL started life in Jan, '39 with a single mag O-145-A Lycoming. I have replaced it with a Zero since major A-65-8F Continental using original T-craft BC parts.
    2. NC22211 never received a permanent A/W certificate, having been in storage since 1956. This does require a Condition Inspection, which the FSDO insists on doing personally.
    3. The O-145-A on the plane was rated at 55 HP. The A-65 is rated at 65 HP.

    The local FSDO insists that HE do a condition inspection on aircraft returning to service before issuing a new A/W cert. This is contrary to FAA rules, but is a decision he implemented for his district.

    Knowing that, I contacted him to set up an inspection. I told him about the lack of an A/W cert and the change from the 55 HP to the 65 HP engine using the Factory Letter from Mrs. Ferris as the basis for allowing the change.

    He stopped me, saying that he was not allowed to sign off more that 10% power upgrades and that he would not sign off the 65 HP upgrade. I tried to explain that the T-craft world is full of 65 hp O-145-B's and why they quickly replaced the O-145-A with the "B" series for safety reasons. I also explained that the vast majority of the BL models are now or will go over to the A-65 simply because there are no parts for the O-145.

    His only solution for my situation that would satisfy his need for job protection (after all, that's what he is really worried about, despite everything else) is if I find 2 or more Taylorcraft Model BL's with the original O-145-A 55 HP engine changed to a Continental A-65 with 65 HP which were approved on a Form 337 block 3 sign-off by an FAA inspector.

    Without that, I have a beautifully and originally restored 1939 BL that will sit grounded in my hangar as a very expensive hangar queen.

    With that long-winded explanation, I apologize for whining. My solution is to find a Tribe-member who has a Form 337 converting a BL with 55 HP to an A-65 with 65 HP. Is there anyone out there who can help?? I really would rather not turn this post into a long exchange about how the FAA regions are acting as if they can re-write FAA rules to suit themselves. We know all about that. I am just looking for help on how to recover from this latest change in my personal FAA mine-field troubles.

    Many thanks to all! Bob Coolbaugh

    Many thanks in advance.

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    Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

    Here are a couple of photos of NC22211 as she sits now.
    Attached Files

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    • #3
      Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

      Bob,

      I'm traveling through the weekend, but when I get home I'll see what I can find in my records and PM you.
      Mike
      NC29624
      1940 BC65

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      • #4
        Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

        You may order the cd for mine. N26559 sn 1901. Mine was a BL55 converted to BC65. It is a project now and I have not started on it yet so I do not have the 337 cd myself...but you are welcome to to get a copy to serve your needs. I do have an aw cert that list it as BC65 now. Look it up in the FAA database and that is what it is listed as....my data plate says 1940 BL-55. Hope this helps.

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          Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

          The HP increase is already approved. TC 700 which the BL was certified under allows for a 65hp, so the 65 hp engine is already approved on your airplane. The Ferris letter just covers the fact that firewall back that the all three models BC, BF, and BL were the same. Another that he can look up is N29815, and I think it was done far enough back that it is approved date and no FAA sign off needed for the 337. I also did one back in the 90's, but don't remember the number.

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          • #6
            Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

            Thank you to all three for the quick response! I have ordered CD records on all the conversions you noted, as well as 15 others that sound promising. Here's a change in plans, too. I am now working with a very talented DAR, Gene Breiner, who understands exactly what I am trying to accomplish and will follow me through to get NC22211 certificated and approved. I still need data from older conversions, so please continue with the suggestions!

            Gene is a retired FAA inspector, one of the lost generation of FAA men who knew antique airplanes and wanted to keep them in the air. Glad he decided to continue working as a DAR. Bob C

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            • #7
              Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

              Bob,
              You can order the CD for my N24386. Currently registered as a 1940 BL-65. Had a L-55 in 1940, upgraded to l-65 in 1946 and again upgraded to C-65 in 1956.
              All 337 in the CD. You can send me a private email if you just need the 337 related to the engine upgrade.

              Thanks
              Jerry Hays

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                Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                Gotta love misinterpretation by Mr. Literal FAA guy sheesh. This make me mad. This should have been a slam dunk non-event.

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                  Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                  Hey Bob, Can we see what the instrument panel looks like? Just love those large tachs. I restored a 1940 BL 65 converted to A65 with no problems Ken

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                  • #10
                    Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                    Ken,

                    He's posted some pics of it in other posts if you can find them.

                    Found them here: http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread...7655#post77655
                    Last edited by M Towsley; 07-12-2013, 18:06. Reason: added link
                    Cheers,
                    Marty


                    TF #596
                    1946 BC-12D N95258
                    Former owner of:
                    1946 BC-12D/N95275
                    1943 L-2B/N3113S

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                      Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                      Jerry - Thanks. I will order your CD today. It was not one of the 16 I sent for and it sounds like just the ticket for my approval.

                      Ken - I'll try to post a panel photo - it's your panel overlay, by the way. Fit is superb.

                      Second photo gives a glimpse of the 4 piece windshield installation as well as a view of the engine going in place. Fitting the exhaust was a Chinese puzzle!
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                      • #12
                        Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                        Four cheers for Four piece windshields! Looks GREAT. I would really like to talk off line about any problems you had with it. I am re-doing the drawings so others can do them and a set of instructions so others can avoid our problems could put more of them out there.

                        Hank

                        Just looks SO CLASSIC! It was worth ALL the problems getting it together.

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                          Re: NC22211 Dead In the Water!! Need Help....

                          Bob,
                          I have been offline from the forum lately, just now reading about your dilemma. Let me know if you are stuck needing DER approval. I will do what I can to help. This should not be difficult. But the FSDO man is correct, the FSDO authority to make such approvals is continually diminishing. It is a matter of finding the appropriate person with the authority you need and the data to approve it. Good luck and let me know if I can help. Regards.. Terry
                          Terry Bowden, formerly TF # 351
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