SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

[VanDy]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Drude,
I never even thought about their being a regulation for fueling or washing, but I wouldn't say it too loud around any FAA guys, dont want them to get any more ideas!

[RyanShort1]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

No, but they need to be trained before they perform any preventative manit. which the regs say they must have before conducting the task... if they have not been trained, they are in violation. Its not really enforced but it is there. Tim

Which specific reg. says they have to be trained before performing the task? I see a requirement for training in 43.3(h) - but as far as I can tell that is an exception to regular 135 rules. 43.3(g) does NOT require additional training under a PP certificate.

Ryan

[Guest]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

perhaps 65.81 is being thought of? that is mechanics though

[lawheelock]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

I see your point, just wondered if you had a specific reason for it. Thanks. It needs to be more than just me asking for it, though. I am a firm believer in "You never know unless you ask".

I am a firm believer in "Know before you ask! Then why ask? At least if you do ask, you will know whether or not the answer is BS. I think too many people want to run to someone who is supposed to have all the answers (but often do not have and it is easy for them to say NO) because they are too lazy to research and learn on their own.
Larry Wheelock, TF671

[M Towsley]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Ok, let me get my statement out there because it is obviously being misconstrued many different ways.

Sport Pilots cannot perform preventative maintenance, (PM), on a Taylorcraft. I want to perform PM on mine. Unless the rules are changed I cannot do so.

I, personally, have never seen a Private Pilot receive training to conduct PM on their planes. (I know some must have and anyone who does without knowing what to do may be placing their lives in peril).

I plan on informing the FAA, perhaps with a copy to EAA and AOPA, of my interest in wanting to perform PM on my Taylorcraft. I plan on asking the FAA why this decision regarding Sport Pilots was made and based on what reasons. The "you never know unless you ask" covers the fact that many people would rather not do anything for fear of being rejected. I would rather ask, get a reason, and go from there. I am sure I am not the only one who finds this particular rule puzzling.

Anything other than that, please stop putting words in my mouth. It is really pretty simple....why can't a Sport Pilot perform preventative maintenance on their certified, Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, etc.?

PS: Helpful comments, like some of those provided, are greatly appreciated. I just needed some clarification as to the reason or intent of the suggestion. Again, thank you!!!

[magman]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

I would think any type of training would have to be "Type Specific" .

Use of Torque Wrenches , Safety Wiring , cotter Pins , etc would not.

Unfortunately; many folks that would like to to do PM lack

both the tools & training.

My guess is I'm not the only one that has dealt with

someone using Foot / lbs instead on Inch / lbs.

Works wonders on Prop Bolts!

[avenger1949]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

I want to know why I can take my check ride in a single seat aircraft but not my biannual. I had my A&P show me where it said I couldn't change my oil... then he looked at my 36 chevy 5 window coupe I built from the ground up and said... do anything you want just call me so I can look at it and sign it off.

[Guest]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Ok, let me get my statement out there because it is obviously being misconstrued many different ways.

Sport Pilots cannot perform preventative maintenance, (PM), on a Taylorcraft. I want to perform PM on mine. Unless the rules are changed I cannot do so.

I, personally, have never seen a Private Pilot receive training to conduct PM on their planes. (I know some must have and anyone who does without knowing what to do may be placing their lives in peril).

I plan on informing the FAA, perhaps with a copy to EAA and AOPA, of my interest in wanting to perform PM on my Taylorcraft. I plan on asking the FAA why this decision regarding Sport Pilots was made and based on what reasons. The "you never know unless you ask" covers the fact that many people would rather not do anything for fear of being rejected. I would rather ask, get a reason, and go from there. I am sure I am not the only one who finds this particular rule puzzling.

Anything other than that, please stop putting words in my mouth. It is really pretty simple....why can't a Sport Pilot perform preventative maintenance on their certified, Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, etc.?PS: Helpful comments, like some of those provided, are greatly appreciated. I just needed some clarification as to the reason or intent of the suggestion. Again, thank you!!!

Hi Marty,

If that question was on my mind I would start here at the light sport division;

Contact Information
Larry L. Buchanan
Branch Manager AFS-610
Phone: (405) 954-6400
Fax: (405) 954-6688

Dave

[M Towsley]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Avenger,

I ran into that with my single seat Air-Bike. Had to go rent a plane to satisfy the biannual. A bit inconvenient.

Dave,

I used to deal with a real nice guy at the light sport branch until his untimely death in an ultralight. I think I have spoken to Larry in the past, very nice. I think I might and go from there. Thanks for the info!!!

[3Dreaming]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Marty, I understood what you were asking from the begining. When they added sport pilot to the regulations they had to change or modify many more regulations. After a while they came in and fixed a few more that needed tweeking. The problem like I said before is just adding sport pilot to the existing regulation would allow them to work on aircraft they owned, but couldn't legally fly. After thinking about this some more I think you should ask for a language change in 43.3,(g) from, "and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category", to an aircraft "that meets the CFR1.1 definition of a light sport aircraft"

[lfries]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Doesn't biannual mean every 6 months. Flight Reviews are every 24 months, biennial.

[astjp2]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Semi is every 6 month, bi is every 2 years

Doesn't biannual mean every 6 months. Flight Reviews are every 24 months, biennial.

[M Towsley]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Mr. Fries, I was a victim of typing too fast and not proof-reading. But now is all right with the world, it is biennial. I think I knew a girl like that.

Tom, it clicked on like a light now. I see what you are saying and why. Sometimes you need to draw a picture. (Sorry I couldn't get down to Olney Sunday, lousy weather here).

[Nefj40]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Ok, let me get my statement out there because it is obviously being misconstrued many different ways.

Sport Pilots cannot perform preventative maintenance, (PM), on a Taylorcraft. I want to perform PM on mine. Unless the rules are changed I cannot do so.

I, personally, have never seen a Private Pilot receive training to conduct PM on their planes. (I know some must have and anyone who does without knowing what to do may be placing their lives in peril).

I plan on informing the FAA, perhaps with a copy to EAA and AOPA, of my interest in wanting to perform PM on my Taylorcraft. I plan on asking the FAA why this decision regarding Sport Pilots was made and based on what reasons. The "you never know unless you ask" covers the fact that many people would rather not do anything for fear of being rejected. I would rather ask, get a reason, and go from there. I am sure I am not the only one who finds this particular rule puzzling.

Anything other than that, please stop putting words in my mouth. It is really pretty simple....why can't a Sport Pilot perform preventative maintenance on their certified, Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, etc.?

PS: Helpful comments, like some of those provided, are greatly appreciated. I just needed some clarification as to the reason or intent of the suggestion. Again, thank you!!!

Exactly! The difference between Sport Pilot and Private Pilot is a little bit of FLIGHT training. Yesterday I told my instructor that I was thinking about just getting my PP, then letting my medical lapse so I could do PM on my T-craft (thanks again for setting me straight on that 3D.) Nicest guy in the world, watches his P's and Q's and trains a lot of pilots. He used to work for the FAA, and he couldn't get his head wrapped around what I was trying to say. When he realized I wasn't going to give up on the fact that I couldn't touch my aircraft, he said he'd look into it.

[Guest]

Re: SportPilot and preventative maintenance.

Doesn't biannual mean every 6 months. Flight Reviews are every 24 months, biennial.

I never knew about biannual and biennial.

There are many web references to these distinctions.

I learned something today.

Thanks, Dave.