Dual Brakes

[freightpilot27]

Anyone have a drawing or photo how the cables are routed & connected for dual brakes?

Thanks,

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Dual Brakes

If you find them, please post them. My 45 has dual brakes and all the pulley brackets but I can't see how you rig the cables to get both sides to work at the same time. There were no cables to the RH heel pads when I got it (maybe they were removed because no one else could get them rigged either).
Hank

[Dick Smith]

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There are a couple of pictures in the following that might help figure it out:
http://gallery.antiqueaircraftofco.o...August+1+2009/ (when it opens, scroll down to "slideshow" , click on it and when the first picture opens, click on "pause" until you want the next picture and pause on that one...or set the slide show up differently.) (or when you see "gallery", select it...hit next until you get the desired picture, then "pause" until you want to move on.)

Dick

[Hank Jarrett]

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That is exactly what mine looks like, but my problem was where they have the right and left cables spliced together. (HINT....The tape won't work)
What it looks like to me is you have to put in small turnbuckles between each pedal and the splices. It doesn't take much difference in cable length to make a pedal for one seat too long for the brakes to work without rigging the cable to the brake so tight the brakes are bound up from the short pedal. EACH pedal needs to be adjustable individually so you need 4 turnbuckles, but there doesn't look like there is room for them in the fore and aft section or the cables running outboard. Maybe we could use the splice bugs.
Hank

[Helicopter D]

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Although my aircraft is set up for dual brakes I have had thoughts about leaving the right ones out. Any opinions on this, are they worth installing? I do have a couple of buddies who I would like to see get their tail wheel endorsement when I get it finished. I have never flown with the Schinn brakes so I'm just curious.

[3Dreaming]

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If you have the set up I we leave them in place.

Hank, your to much of an engineer. The way he shows the set up works just fine. No need for turnbuckles.

[Dick Smith]

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More pix from a different angle can't hurt.

http://www.pbase.com/tcartpilot/taylorcraft_assemblies

Dick

[Hank Jarrett]

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Dustin,
When I got my 45 the RH brakes were not hooked up. That was why I didn't know how to rig them. I am planning to make a little lock out bracket for the RH side so I can keep the RH pedals from being pushed when i have a Young Eagle or non aviator aboard. You do NOT need a passenger jamming the brakes on unexpectedly!
Hank

Really liked those shots from Dick. The two orange tail ones are of my 41 and the rest are my 45! Notice the moused springs for the tail wheel. DO NOT LEAVE THE SAFETY MOUSING OFF!!! If one spring comes off when landing things get way too exciting way too fast!

[M Towsley]

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Hank,

I have never had anyone push on the brakes, not to say it couldn't happen. It takes a firm push to do anything, anyway. They would have a better chance of an input on the rudder pedals than the brakes.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Yea, but it is so hard to fly if you lock all the controls on the passenger side. ;-)

I saw where that Stearman landed with a passenger in front who was standing on the brakes and she went over on her back. Even if the brakes are weak, I don't want the passenger pushing them.....or any other controls! Of course all the other controls I will know they are moving them and give them a good smack.
Hank

OK, I will warn them a microsecond before the back of my hand hits their face.

[Jim Hartley]

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NTSB Identification: ANC12CA086
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, August 12, 2012 in Anchorage, AK
Aircraft: PIPER PA-18, registration: N37WP
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.

The pilot was landing on a gravel airstrip, and the airplane bounced during touchdown. When it touched down again, the pilot began to apply the brakes, and as expected, the tail of the airplane began to rise slightly. The rear seat passenger did not realize that this condition was normal, and braced his feet against the rudder pedals, which applied increased brake pressure. The airplane nosed over resulting in substantial damage to the rudder, vertical stabilizer, and wing lift struts.

Very important that a pilot and passenger responsibilities are explained beforehand. The brakes are a big one obviously. These accident reports are an important reminder as we learn from others mistakes. Hopefully prempting us from making the same mistakes. I check NTSB and FAA preliminary reports every day.

Jim

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Dual Brakes

Exactly why I think the pedals were off mine and why there will be two metal clips on them if there isn't a trusted pilot in the right seat.
Hank

[Guest]

Re: Dual Brakes

Anyone have a drawing or photo how the cables are routed & connected for dual brakes?

Thanks,

Hey Bob,

Did you ever get an answer to your question?

I can get you some photos and a description.

But if you have the answer already then there is no need.

Dave

[freightpilot27]

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Dave-
Thanks, I have a good idea now. but a good photo of the cables routed and hooked up in an operating airplane would be superb, if its not too much trouble.

Thanks,

[Hank Jarrett]

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Please post anything anyone has. Others of us want to see what has worked.

Hank