What does "Legacy" mean

[freightpilot27]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

yes!
Please let me know where to send a contribution for the website only!

[jim cooper]

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Bob....Where does one send the contribution? JC

[guns68]

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With all due respect, If my membership dues does not help with the website, what does it help with? Just curious.

[skyboltone]

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Bob. Please see your post below. Several of us are asking for a simple answer. I support ALL of the forums on which I participate. I have for years. But it is a pure mystery as to how one would go about it on this forum. Some forums have a paypal button. I don't care how you do it, but please, let us help eh?

John; your profile did not have editing your title turned on. its on now.

Dan; be careful what you ask for...

Money wise, there is no connection between the Foundation and this web forum. The forum is paid for by generous donations of which so far only two people kick in; me and my friend Ted that hosts the software. Its like throwing a party every day - friends and strangers show up drink your beer, eat your food, write poetry on the walls, leave photos, and take a dump and then leave. Some bitch about the furniture and the beer, most leave happy.

I'm not complaining. just realize nothing is "free"; somebody has to do the work, pay the fees, pay for software updates, internet bandwidth, power, space...

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

Members
1,566
Active Members
137
If we figured it on a "per post" basis there are only a few of us who would need to pay for the whole thing (some of us are just "plane" gabby!). Even if figured based on the 137 active folks the cost per person should be insignificant. How much for the beer, food, picture album, toilet paper and cleaning supplies to get the poetry off the walls? I have NO IDEA what it costs to do this in time and money, but I sure don't mind helping defray the costs. I sure wouldn't want the party to end. This is the first site I check EVERY MORNING and the last one at night. I'm even looking for a way to get internet in the hangar!
Hank

Now you all know another reason my plane takes so long to get finished.

[Guest]

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John; your profile did not have editing your title turned on. its on now.

Dan; be careful what you ask for...

Money wise, there is no connection between the Foundation and this web forum. The forum is paid for by generous donations of which so far only two people kick in; me and my friend Ted that hosts the software. Its like throwing a party every day - friends and strangers show up drink your beer, eat your food, write poetry on the walls, leave photos, and take a dump and then leave. Some bitch about the furniture and the beer, most leave happy.

I'm not complaining. just realize nothing is "free"; somebody has to do the work, pay the fees, pay for software updates, internet bandwidth, power, space...

Hi Bob,

To be fair to you and us you should publish where to send donations.

I PM-ed you last March in an effort to send a donation but never got a response.

There are some of us that are willing to help pay for the party if you will allow it.

What ever you get will be more than you get now.

Dave

[Guest]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

With all due respect, If my membership dues does not help with the website, what does it help with? Just curious.

The foundation activities.

[freightpilot27]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

The foundation activities.

and those would be?????
the fly-in?
the extremely easy access to Taylorcraft drawings and documentation?
Any sort-of response from the president?

Im VERY happy to support something useful to me..... the forum website.

[Guest]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

and those would be?????
the fly-in?
the extremely easy access to Taylorcraft drawings and documentation?
Any sort-of response from the president?
Im VERY happy to support something useful to me..... the forum website.

Obama will solve most of our social/economic/health/family problems for us but airplane forum stuff isn't his concern.
He mostly feels the pain of the 99%.
I don't think we are going to hear from him.
Dave

[ajfriz]

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and those would be?????
The fly-in?
The extremely easy access to taylorcraft drawings and documentation?
Any sort-of response from the president?

Im very happy to support something useful to me..... The forum website.

x2

I might sound a little harsh here, but, it's ridamndiculous how difficult it is trying to get any factory info. Emails, calls, and voicemails never get a response. I was trying to get info on a data plate from a certain person who supposedly has them, and is the first person to reply to any topic on the matter, but I couldn't ever get a response. I ended up going with Noel Allard, who I highly recommend.

Rant off.

[Obelix]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

and those would be?????
the fly-in?
the extremely easy access to Taylorcraft drawings and documentation?
Any sort-of response from the president?

Im VERY happy to support something useful to me..... the forum website.

I'm sitting on the other side of the globe and like Hank check in on the forum every morning.

Little chance I'll ever be at the fly in.
No way I can pop in and make a copy of a drawing
Haven't had one responce to any e-mail with regards to my aircrafts origin, serial number etc.

Will gladly contribute to the forum and if we can get bigger servers/bandwidth etc. to have all that valuable info at Alliance made available to paid up forum members, even better.

[freightpilot27]

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Obama will solve most of our social/economic/health/family problems for us but airplane forum stuff isn't his concern.
He mostly feels the pain of the 99%.
I don't think we are going to hear from him.
Dave

funny man Dave, funny man...

[Guest]

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x2

I might sound a little harsh here, but, it's ridamndiculous how difficult it is trying to get any factory info. Emails, calls, and voicemails never get a response. I was trying to get info on a data plate from a certain person who supposedly has them, and is the first person to reply to any topic on the matter, but I couldn't ever get a response. I ended up going with Noel Allard, who I highly recommend.

Rant off.

I have come to believe that there are no usefull B model drawings or documentation at the foundation with the possible exception of the L2 drawings that are on disk that may be common to the B models.

That is my opinion based on experience and observation. It is speculation and I have never examined the archives at the foundation but my expection is that if I did it would reinforce my opinion.

The hope of the drawing existence is what keeps us all going.

I have an Aeronca also. Many Aeronca drawings are on a CD that I buy and I give an occasional donation as well. When I need an Aeronca drawing that is not on the CD I get a copy within a few days at most and sometimes within hours.

My only point is that when drawings/documents exist one can get them easily and they are available so if you can't get them its because they do not exist.

Also I think that the Aeronca type certificate is owned by the Aeronca association whereas Iam pretty sure that the Taylorcraft one is owned by a company. No company is going to release their propriatory drawings to the outside world.

Dave

[ajfriz]

Re: What does "Legacy" mean

I have come to believe that there are no usefull B model drawings or documentation at the foundation with the possible exception of the L2 drawings that are on disk that may be common to the B models.

That is my opinion based on experience and observation. It is speculation and I have never examined the archives at the foundation but my expection is that if I did it would reinforce my opinion.

The hope of the drawing existence is what keeps us all going.

I have an Aeronca also. Many Aeronca drawings are on a CD that I buy and I give an occasional donation as well. When I need an Aeronca drawing that is not on the CD I get a copy within a few days at most and sometimes within hours.

My only point is that when drawings/documents exist one can get them easily and they are available so if you can't get them its because they do not exist.

Also I think that the Aeronca type certificate is owned by the Aeronca association whereas Iam pretty sure that the Taylorcraft one is owned by a company. No company is going to release their drawings to the outside world.

Dave

I've speculated the same thing. The only thing that makes me hope they exist is that I know the person "in charge" wouldn't actually ever get them on a cd, because, let's face it, if the guy can't respond to an email or phone call, would he go to the effort of putting them on CDs?
I'm currently modeling my complete airframe on Solidworks so that maybe it can help others in the future. I know it won't be the same as most since its pre-war, and it isn't stock, but hopefully it can be of some use to others. At least I hope it will since modeling the thing is about as big of a project as actually rebuilding it.

[Hank Jarrett]

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If I remember right the Taylorcraft TC and rights were bought by a group from Mexico (something about wanting to go back into production when things failed in Texas). Remember, I am going on memory here, some details may be wrong. If you KNOW, please chime in. I DO remember at the time a group of us was trying to buy the TC and rights but we were out-bid. There has been no noticeable movement by the current owners and I would assume it is because they have found out you CAN'T MAKE MONEY building airplanes right now, at least not Taylorcrafts.
We (our group) didn't intend to build airplanes, we wanted to build parts and provide restoration services. Our time will come again when the current owners decide to unload their "Taylorcraft factory". We should get ready to buy it then so that the Taylorcraft owners around the world OWN the rights to their data. I really like the idea of building on the success of the web site and bringing the Foundation into the mix. Forrest really is a good guy, but I know from the questions I get that a LOT of requests fall through the cracks. I KNOW I must owe a lot of people drawings, pictures and data I have lost track of. Like Forrest, this is NOT how I make my living, it is a passion and I do it because I ENJOY it, not because it makes any money. Trust me, Forrest isn't getting rich on Foundation dues. That said, IF we could combine a new Taylorcraft corporation with a new set up of the foundation and club headquarters at a site dedicated to supporting all of us, we could have what most of us are looking for. We could eventually sell new airplanes, but it would be by direct order. The business plan was to take an order for a new plane, get a substantial non-refundable deposit, and build the planes as ordered. As you can imagine, we did NOT expect a lot of orders. We expected a lot more people to ship in a damaged fuselage for repair in factory fixtures, or complete wing rebuilds, or gear repair and overhaul. Maybe we could convince Forrest to move to warmer climes. He is still a WEALTH of history and information on Taylorcrafts. If he was in an environment where he wasn't constantly being drawn away to mow the grass and run his FBO he would be available a lot more and be surrounded by like minded people to spread the work around. Forrest doesn't need to work more on the Foundation, what he needs is a staff so he doesn't waste time on the stuff we all dislike doing. Bringing him aboard in the "Factory" would be good for all of us.
If anyone wants to see this happen, we originally had access to the facilities used by "The Fighter Factory" in Suffolk VA where they rebuilt some of the best WW-II aircraft in the world. They have moved to Virginia Beach VA and their facilities are still available. I am sure we could still get a great deal from the city of Suffolk to set up there. We have to be ready the next time the rights to Taylorcraft are available again. Plenty of retired Navy, Air Force and Army aircraft mechanics wanting to make a few dollars working part time when we need them here. Lots of antique nuts looking to work on old planes. It wouldn't make a lot of money, but it could survive and keep the Taylorcraft alive into the future.
Hank

How do you feel about moving to South East Virginia Forrest? We still get enough snow to look pretty, but most times it melts off by noon. I don't even own a snow shovel or snow tires here. Plus the sea food and BBQ sure beats anything in Ohio!