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    I'm splicing up a set of cables for NC22211, a '39 BL-65, and was wondering if there are factory specs for cable lengths. We have some original cables to go by, and some replacements (nicropressed), and one always wonders how accurate the replacements are. I've found a couple of threads, like http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread...dder+cables%22 , but decided to start a new thread to ask again.

    The cable lengths I have, measured from existing cables (measurements are from thimble bearing point to thimble bearing point, or for the cables with bushings, from the bushing c/l):

    Rudder

    Original cable, not labelled L or R: 200.0" (there's a second replacement cable labelled R, but cut, so this one could be either)
    Replacement cable, labelled L 198.75"

    (The thread above says 196" for the L and 199" for the R)

    Shouldn't the rudder cables be the same length? And I found a thread that said that the rudder cables should have steel extension tabs like the elevator cables, is that correct?

    Elevator

    The elevator cables look to be good originals

    Up elevator 188.0"
    Down elevator 185.25"

    Aileron

    L front, original 139.875"

    R F&R, replacement 143.375"

    Since the aileron cables go to the center of the A/C, should they all be the same length?

    The other three aileron system cables, chain connector and chain to aft cabin, look like good originals, lengths are:

    Chain interconnect 32"
    Chain to aft cabin 96"

    Also, the modern turnbuckles are 1/2" longer than the factory originals, so new cables will need to be 1/2" shorter.

    Comments or suggestions?
    Last edited by baldeagle27; 01-01-2008, 10:23.
    Andrew King
    Elkwood, VA
    BC-65 NC23876
    Bald Eagle Aviation

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    Re: Cable lengths

    Hi Andrew,

    Regretfully, I can't help you with the cable lengths. But, I sure would like to see a hand tuck splice cable from start to finish! And the tools you use to make the splices. I have an old cable splicing vise I found on eBay and I've studied the, "How To" section in the appendices of the old CAM 18 manual till my head hurts. I guess I just need to start pulling wires apart and turning my fingers to pin cushions. I've got a Taylor J-2 that has all Nicropressed cables that I'd like to get back to original.

    It would be a real treat to see how you go about producing those lovely splices. You did all the cables on my friend, Craig Bair's "Wings" Cub (we met briefly at Brodhead when I brought the airplane to OSH). Just beautiful work. Any chance at all of a pictorial essay of the splicing process? Even an admonition like, "You're absolutely nuts to even think about it!" would be accepted with good (mostly) humor.

    Dan McNeill
    Placerville, California

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    • #3
      Re: Cable lengths

      It's like rib stitching, once you learn how to do it, it isn't so bad. I've thought about getting somebody with a digital video camera (and editing capability) and posting it on youtube, then everybody could try for themselves.

      I just tried to attach some jpg files but got a message "these are not valid image files"
      Andrew King
      Elkwood, VA
      BC-65 NC23876
      Bald Eagle Aviation

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      • #4
        Re: Cable lengths

        Dan,
        I have the old military maintenance manual for the L2 and it shows in pretty good detail how to braid cables.
        I live in Yuba City,think we met in Colusa this summer.
        We could meet in Lincoln or some such similar deal and give you a copy.

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        • #5
          Re: Cable lengths

          So are all Taylorcrafts supposed to have the steel connector plates mentioned in the last two posts of this thread?:



          And has anybody else measured their rudder cable lengths?







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          Last edited by baldeagle27; 01-04-2008, 12:36.
          Andrew King
          Elkwood, VA
          BC-65 NC23876
          Bald Eagle Aviation

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          • #6
            Re: Cable lengths

            Originally posted by baldeagle27 View Post
            So are all Taylorcrafts supposed to have the steel connector plates mentioned in the last two posts of this thread?:



            And has anybody else measured their rudder cable lengths?







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            Can't find the referenec you mention but as far as I know there is a set of plates on each side of the rudder horn and one plate (or link) on each side of the elevator horn.

            Have you seen them? Do you need to see a picture?

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            • #7
              Re: Cable lengths

              A photo would be great,thanks.

              Also, why would one rudder cable be longer than the other?




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              Andrew King
              Elkwood, VA
              BC-65 NC23876
              Bald Eagle Aviation

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              • #8
                Re: Cable lengths

                Personally I have never put in a cable made from prescribed length.

                I have either made a matching cable side by side with an original or made a cable in place fitting it to the bellcranks, horns, turnbuckles and links.

                Will take some pics today.

                Dave

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                • #9
                  Re: Cable lengths

                  Maybe Forrest can answer, but wouldn't the factory have made up the cables to a certain length, they wouldn't custom make cables for each airplane? I'd like to know if the factory had specs in 1939 and if so what they were. Where I have good originals I'm copying the length, but the nicropress replacements always make me wonder if they're done right, so those I'm leaving undone on one end so Bob can check the length and we can make sure they fit. I'm interested in other people's measurements so I can see how close they are. But again, does one rudder cable take a longer route through the fuselage?




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                  Andrew King
                  Elkwood, VA
                  BC-65 NC23876
                  Bald Eagle Aviation

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cable lengths

                    Originally posted by baldeagle27 View Post
                    Maybe Forrest can answer, but wouldn't the factory have made up the cables to a certain length, they wouldn't custom make cables for each airplane? I'd like to know if the factory had specs in 1939 and if so what they were. Where I have good originals I'm copying the length, but the nicropress replacements always make me wonder if they're done right, so those I'm leaving undone on one end so Bob can check the length and we can make sure they fit. I'm interested in other people's measurements so I can see how close they are. But again, does one rudder cable take a longer route through the fuselage?




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                    The way the rudder bars mount one ahead of the other would make up the 1" difference. Tom

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cable lengths

                      The lenghts are different for the rudder of course ( B-A26-1 for the right rudder); (B-A27-1 for the left rudder) , OR let the "link" make up the difference back at the rudder horn. Andrew just e-mail me direct. I have that stuff here.

                      YES they made them to a certain length & we have the drawings too! I use two nails in a two by four. For the past 40 years we have used nico and formed the last end to fit after drawing through the fairleads. My Dad could hand tuck of course, I still ahve the tools.

                      Check the parts book it shows the different part numbers for the older ships versus the newer ships. Hi Andrew have you ever pull tested those splices to destruction ?? Do you recall the Pietenpohl cables that "slipped" because someone had not used the correct Nico press tool. Those little ones that screw together do not work well at all.
                      Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
                      Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
                      TF#1
                      www.BarberAircraft.com
                      [email protected]

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cable lengths

                        Originally posted by baldeagle27 View Post
                        Maybe Forrest can answer, but wouldn't the factory have made up the cables to a certain length, they wouldn't custom make cables for each airplane? I'd like to know if the factory had specs in 1939 and if so what they were. Where I have good originals I'm copying the length, but the nicropress replacements always make me wonder if they're done right, so those I'm leaving undone on one end so Bob can check the length and we can make sure they fit. I'm interested in other people's measurements so I can see how close they are. But again, does one rudder cable take a longer route through the fuselage?



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                        Positively!

                        Look at the rudder pedal axles.

                        One is about an inch aft of the other so I might expect that one cable will be about an inch longer than the other.

                        I don't recall which side is the aft rudder bar.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cable lengths

                          BaldEagle27, send me your email address and I'll forward you pictures.

                          It seems that this forum no longer allows me to upload .jpg files from my camera as it had been allowing previously.

                          Dave

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                          • #14
                            Re: Cable lengths

                            Dave, we're all having the .jpg problem at the moment (Lord knows why).

                            At the moment, I'm putting photos on my on website for [ IMG ] attachment. Anyone in a similar boat could use Photobucket (free) as an interim.

                            Back to the subject: My April 46 BC12D has flat stamped links at the rudder. I don't have a photo of them, but they are not home-made.

                            But my pre-war doesn't have them

                            Why the difference, I know not.


                            Rob

                            p.s I hope to see Baldeagle27 at the July 2008 Brodhead meet. How say you?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cable lengths

                              Here are some pic from my bc12d, thanks for the tip Rob















                              added pics of an elevator link






                              Last edited by Guest; 01-05-2008, 18:31.

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