no shoulder harness for me :(

[crispy critter]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I must agree with Dennis on this one. Hinde sight is 20/20 but I would probably take it or pay someone to take it somewhere else. Hell,it would have save you time and a shit-load of money to have taken 2-3 weeks off work and flown the thing up to Alaska or to Forrest Barbers place,or to my place in east Ky. This guy is starting to get a LOT rediculous on some of this stuff.

[Dennis Keels]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I think I would run that IA off and fly half way around the world if I had too and find IA thats not afraid to sign his name. Sounds like that guy would'nt sign off a brand new one.

[wlas]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I took a look at the hooker web site and after reading it, if the plane was in my shop and I was doing the annual, I would have the get a field approval on the installation, the guy has a STC for Cessna and champ, but not T-craft, I could use the data from the STC, but would have to word it as the same with the exception that T-craft is not on the AML list and the attachment is different and I would have to show that the attachment point would meet the requirements of AC 43.13-2A page 71 section 3 attachment methods. I just got a field approved for a Alaskan bush wheel, tail wheel on a T-craft using roughly the same method.

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Is this an older harness installation or is it recent and you want him to approve it? If it has been done in the past and there is a logbook entry you should be good to go. If there is no entry, I would just remove them, get the annual completed and then find an A&P that will install them as a minor change per the FAA's own advice. (If he won't do it). This is probably not something an owner can do without an airframe mechanic's sign off.

While this inspection may be causing you to pull your hair out, at least you are getting the thing looked over thoroughly and my thinking is that if you have this mechanic do subsequent annuals they will be much smoother. The first annual on an aircraft is always a paperwork pit for an IA but after that one mostly looks at new AD's, etc. On the one hand the guy is being a pain in the keester but on the other hand he does seem to be doing a thorough inspection. And after this he won't be so unfamiliar with rag and tube planes...

excellent advice

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I searched the forum for "harness" and found a number of offers to share 337's

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Wag-Aero doesn't have a set with STC.

How about the factory?

They may have a set with paperwork included.

Re: no shoulder harness for me

My IA won't sign off the Hooker Harnesses in my Tcraft. Says unless he sees some documentation stating that the hooker harness can be installed in a Taylorcraft BC12-D he won't do it.


This annual on my plane is really beginning to depress me. Every time I turn around there is some other issue that can't be signed off.


So either I return the harnesses or wait until after the annual and illegally install them myself.

DJ , I am perplexed I had always thought that Hookers came with an STC.

I was planning to order a set for my Champ because of that.

If they don't then I see no need to buy from them if I have to do my own paperwork.

Does Wag-Aero offer a set with an STC?

I'll look.

Dave

[fearofpavement]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Is this an older harness installation or is it recent and you want him to approve it? If it has been done in the past and there is a logbook entry you should be good to go. If there is no entry, I would just remove them, get the annual completed and then find an A&P that will install them as a minor change per the FAA's own advice. (If he won't do it). This is probably not something an owner can do without an airframe mechanic's sign off.

While this inspection may be causing you to pull your hair out, at least you are getting the thing looked over thoroughly and my thinking is that if you have this mechanic do subsequent annuals they will be much smoother. The first annual on an aircraft is always a paperwork pit for an IA but after that one mostly looks at new AD's, etc. On the one hand the guy is being a pain in the keester but on the other hand he does seem to be doing a thorough inspection. And after this he won't be so unfamiliar with rag and tube planes...

[Acroeric]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Found it - it is Advisory Circular 21-34

[Acroeric]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

If I'm not mistaken the FAA issued an AC that covers this very subject. I'll take a look around to see if I can dig it up.

[barnstmr]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Here's an example of the FAA standing in the way of safety. Face it. The shoulder harness installation is not going to impede airworthiness or safety.

[wlas]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I can't believe he's running you through the ringer, next time, you pay my way down from Alaska and I'll do your annual and I think it will be easier and besides a trip in the winter down there would be good.

[N74DV]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

I found this

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/harness_kits/media/shoulderpolicy.pdf

if he reads that and still won't install them and sign it off I'm really going to lose it.

[flyguy]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

Nah, I'm not going to say any of that--

[N74DV]

Re: no shoulder harness for me

My IA called Hooker to ask about it and my IA's words to me were

"I'm not satisfied with their answer"

He either needs to see a copy of a 337 if someone else has installed them under a 337 or he won't do it. Plain and simple.

I am about to give up. I suppose I can call my FSDO and maybe get someone to tell him it's ok to do it under a log entry with Hooker harnesses.