From The Factory 2

[Winston L.]

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Yeah but you'd be substituting aluminum for steel with no increase in size ??? Look how much bigger a Cessna aluminum strut is...

Usually the wall is a lot thicker like Cessna struts.

Winston

[dmcneil]

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Hey All,

Here's an excellent article from today's Brownsville Herald:

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_comments.php?id=72632_0_10_0_C

Dan

[fearofpavement]

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I read the article, thanks for making it available. Sounds grim. On the other hand, it may provide yet another opportunity for someone to make this work. My thinking would be for someone to get the appropriate approvals to make parts for existing aircraft and then when there are some of everything to assemble a few on slow days... ie build some new old planes!

[CraigH]

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No surprise there, saw it coming 3 years ago. No surprise either that ol' Harry is still trying to baffle 'em with BS. He'll keep it up until the moment the cell door clanks closed.

[heliplane2]

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I want to apologize to everyone in not posting anything on the factory problems. Reason for this is because I waited till the truth came out concerning the lies and BS from the factory! I read the report in the Brownsville Herald today, everything in the report is true! I know that some of you did not believe me, but now you see. The facts have been stated and proven to this day! For those that have put all their faith in Harry and addressed me as the " disgruntled employee", I forgive you for your comments! Let's keep those airplanes flying! Life goes on!
heliplane2: One more thing, I had nothing to do with sinking Harry's ship in closing the factory! His ship sank on its own due to faulty maintenance! I will gain no profit from this so called factory and I don't want it!

[Ragwing nut]

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Yeah but you'd be substituting aluminum for steel with no increase in size ??? Look how much bigger a Cessna aluminum strut is...

The extrusion used by RANS has a web in the neutral axis as Forrest mentioned and is slightly thicker walled. RANS is +6 aerobatic capable which is more than enough to handle strength requirement of a t-craft. I never never persued it, just merely a thought.

Mike

[crispy critter]

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thank you Tom! I hope all folks who have airplanes & parts at the factory will listen up and DO SOMETHING. Your offer is good, contact him folks.... Tom maybe print the phone numbers on the web for all to use. I hear that www.landings.com has started the ball rolling with a story on the factory.
There were news reporter(s) there Friday, story to come out Sunday locally and the race is on to see who posts it first. Oh well on to other hand, I am glad the discussion group continues with the original intent, lets stay together for the good of Taylorcrafts all over the world.

As to the aluminum struts, they do have to be a wee bit larger and they have a real thick section at the neutral point from end to end.
My source would be Carslon Aircraft www.sky-tek.com rumor has it they have the spars, ribs, etc... for Swick conversions, and 23012 ribs too... check them out.
I just picked up all the Taylorcraft parts they had from the Conway days during the days of Ben Mauro & Jack Gilberti.

FORREST,
Would you please call me as soon as you get a few minutes to chat. I have a little info and a couple of ideas that I would like to run through your head but would really like your input on things before continuing my research. It is very important.
Thanks, Kevin...(606)434-4065

[VictorBravo]

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I took the liberty of sending this to the Brownsville Herald reporter:

There is another side to this story you might want to follow up on. The Taylorcraft airplane has been around for 70 years, and is a classic, successful airplane. The Taylorcraft company has a spectacularly checkered history of financial successes and failures, bankruptcies and shady investors, etc. etc. over the years. Under circumstances that are hard to otherwise understand, the quality and integrity of the original airplane design has endured and been proven over and over, and has overcome the comedy of errors on the financial side of the company. It seems that you can't keep a good airplane down. The heart and soul of the Taylorcraft airplane itself will provide a very entertaining and historical counterpoint to the shams, scams, and P. T. Barnums that have been in the boardroom. Please research "the rest of the story" and include it in your follow-up article. Information and resources can be found through the Taylorcraft Foundation and the Taylorcraft Owners Club, www.taylorcraft.org

[mhorowit]

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So what recourse do the Jensen's have?
Apparently there is no Taylorcraft Corp. (a legal entity) so they could go right to the Officers. Am I correct? Would they have to wait until Harry declares bankruptcy? - Mike

[barnstmr]

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The following was on this morning's Aero-News Net web article.
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Taylorcraft May Go Belly Up... Again

Company's Future Looks Bleak
For not the first time, Taylorcraft Aviation may soon be out of business... leaving potentially dozens of T-Craft customers without their deposits, or their airplanes.

Cash flow, as usual, seems to be the culprit. According to the Brownsville Herald, Harry Ingram, company president, has been hit with over a quarter million dollars in judgments and liens. The company lost its corporate charter in 2004 because of a tax lien, so Ingram may be personally liable for the debt.

To make matters worse, it seems that Taylorcraft is not licensed to manufacture either the parts or the planes, according to Roland Herwick, an FAA spokesman. Ingram says he owns the Taylorcraft type certificates, but "Taylorcraft Aviation LLC does not have the authorization to make airplane parts … (or) manufacture new airplanes,” Herwick said, as reported in the Herald.

Ingram was successfully sued for not returning a customer's deposit in 2004 but he ignored the lawsuit. According to the Herald, Ingram claimed “I didn’t have the money to repay him. I’ve had cash flow issues and I don’t know of many companies that don’t.”

As Aero-News reported, Taylorcraft was awarded an LSA certificate in January. It is not known how many additional orders were placed by eager sport pilots after this news.

Ingram has also been hit with a $100,000 bill for unpaid rent and utilities at the Brownsville-South Padre Island International Airport where the factory is located. He has been told to vacate as of Monday... today.

ANN will continue to report on this developing story.

FMI: www.taylorcraft.com

[CraigH]

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Aero-news is reporting on the story as well: http://aero-news.net/index.cfm?Conte...f-685518541514

[Forrest Barber]

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Yes I am following along and have been answering questions to many callers. Kevin, we will talk, Bill thank you very much for raising spirits., bless all the others who have sent suggestions. I ahve forwarded a lot of stuff to people who contacted me with a plan. Let's see what happens. I have to leave for all day and part of tomorrow. will check back soon!

[Forrest Barber]

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I am back, sold one tractor ( a Fordson) and one airplane. I got a lot of this stuff in the e-mail here is one example:

" I am a mechanic in Canada, flying a 46 tcart with my toolbox all over southern BC and Vancouver Island fixing much more "complicated" flying machines. I thought that I had it rough with all the gossip, coffee shop experts, and back handed peers that I meet, but you made me feel MUCH better.... You certainly receive far to much grief for the amount of effort you put in to this forum and our beloved birds, and I thank you for that. I hope that you don't get burnt out with all the crap, and you keep enjoying the flying, which is really what we are here about... Darren Adam"

It is 5:45AM here in Alliance, Oh I have been up since 4:50AM catching up on stuff here at home. I will finally get down to Texas next week and get a look. It is my understanding that all the parts have been placed into storage by the Sheriff pending a possible sale. This of course really presents a problem with certification and identification of these parts. What a shame!
More as I get it. Forrest

[Sloanlow]

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Tribe

Brownsville is not exactly the bastion of honesty in Texas. You will find that it is more like Mexico. I don't have faith that the Sherriff is any different, gold tooth and all. "Badges, Badges, we don't need no stinken badges" etc......"We cannot let you see them cause it's wednesday" or some other local B#@@ S(^&.

We will see when you get back.

[Ed O'Brien]

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What I think is interesting about this discussion is -- the lack of nasty. Good. Plain spoken truth without sarcasm, hyperbola, or vitriol. No matter if you like Harry Ingram, or the factory, just telling the truth about what you actually know -- has been a great service to the T-Craft Community. Double Good!

What keeps so many boards from achieving any kind of status is lack of trust, what kills more boards than anything is self rightious and arrogant flamming. May I congratulate the members of this board for their collective wit, knowledge, expertise, manners, and appreciation of a great airplane and of course, each other. It is a delicate balance that is difficult to maintain while exercising free speech. But, the member of this board do it as a matter of routine. There is seldom an occasion that I dial-in and not learn a valuable thing. WHile a I expected this particular thread to dissolve into mayhem given the way it began...
it has not. Triple Good!!!
With regards;
ED OBRIEN