please don't eat me up

[mgold]

I know this not the thing that most owners do. But has anyone put 150 seats
in BC-12D. I'm little short on legs 30"

[jgerard]

Re: please don't eat me up

You should be able to roll the seat sling up tight and use a thicker back cushion to get you up and closer to the pedals. If that isn't enough there should be an adjustable "tab" at the tail end of the rudder cable between the turn-barrel assy and rudder horn to shorten/lengthen of the cable therefore changing the position of the rudder pedals.

The C150 seat rail system would require a ton of hard to get approvals and isn't worth the extra weight or cost of materials. I think the latter F21/22 airplanes had bucket seats on rails. The F22 has a different fuse than a bc12.

Jason
N43643

[Carl Ellis]

Re: please don't eat me up

I know this not the thing that most owners do. But has anyone put 150 seats
in BC-12D. I'm little short on legs 30"

I've only ever seen a BC-12 with two seats.

[VictorBravo]

Re: please don't eat me up

You can also add some custom made wooden blocks to the rudder pedals to give you another couple or three inches.

[crispy critter]

Re: please don't eat me up

Vic Bravo has a good idea but keep in mind when you start adding blocks to the rudder peddles it makes it impossible to use the brakes and rudders at the same time.....unless you are double jointed in you feet and ankles.

[mhorowit]

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Vic Bravo has a good idea but keep in mind when you start adding blocks to the rudder peddles it makes it impossible to use the brakes and rudders at the same time.....unless you are double jointed in you feet and ankles.

Hey! I thought you were part of the "we don't need no stinking breaks" crowd! - Mike

[Robert Lees]

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We need loads of breaks, Mike, but we don't need no brakes.

(with apologies to mgold for the thread drift, but we are all mavericks here!)

[mhorowit]

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We need loads of breaks, Mike, but we don't need no brakes.

(with apologies to mgold for the thread drift, but we are all mavericks here!)

Too much booze before supper - Mike

[VictorBravo]

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If I am remembering the cockpit layout right, the brake pedals are a couple of inches behind (aft, toward the pilot) of the rudder pedals. Adding a couple of inches worth of wood or rubber to the rudder pedals would put the pilot's feet closer and easier access to the brake pedals, no??

The problem I seem to have with my big gorilla feet is catching the heels of my shoes on the brake pedals when I'm wrestling with the rudder pedals. If my heels were at the same fore-aft location as the brake pedals (instead of forward of them), my GUESS is that the brake-rudder tap dance would be less clumsy.

The Ferraris and FIAT's have what is known as "the Italian Driving Position". Perhaps we should have "the Alliance Ankle Displacement"...

[Forrest Barber]

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HMMM sounds like a few folks have not adjusted their rudder cable length to their own length. That is the reason for the links with many holes back at the cable to rudder arm attach point. Properly adjusted, heel brake, rudder pedal interface is a wonderful match... For the thoughts of the 150 seats: the F-22 has a seat arrangement like that, more weight, kind of clumsy, I like KISS method. We have a lot of booster cushions (some are seats) around the airport to match up the vertically challenged folks...I have removed seat cushions completely ( for my comfort) and put the left seat guy on cushions for a quick check-out.

[Richard Boyer]

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No cushions???

Try flying 1K miles without them!!

Heck, even WITH cushions, it is a lesson in endurance!

Richard Boyer
N9591
OSH twice
Alliance once (got the plack!!!)

[VictorBravo]

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My friend and fellow EAA chapter member is Jack Norris, who developed an improved seat for the Luscombe. He is a genuine "rocket scientist" (before he retired), was the techincal director for the Rutan Voyager project, and he figured out the secret to comfortable seats. It seems that human blood pressure is about 1.5 PSI, and so the local pressure points between the seat and the pilot's body must be below that number... so you don't get sore spots and poor circulation.

The bottom line seems to be that a sling seat with two rigid tubes and no back support is not good for long term comfort, even with some cushions. This may not come as a big surprise to Taylorcraft owners! Jack built a plywood seat frame that distributed the pressure more evenly on your backside, and so with a much more modest cushion the seat is much more comfy. This is on my list of "sometime soon" projects for sure!

[3Dreaming]

Re: please don't eat me up

My friend and fellow EAA chapter member is Jack Norris, who developed an improved seat for the Luscombe. He is a genuine "rocket scientist" (before he retired), was the techincal director for the Rutan Voyager project, and he figured out the secret to comfortable seats. It seems that human blood pressure is about 1.5 PSI, and so the local pressure points between the seat and the pilot's body must be below that number... so you don't get sore spots and poor circulation.

The bottom line seems to be that a sling seat with two rigid tubes and no back support is not good for long term comfort, even with some cushions. This may not come as a big surprise to Taylorcraft owners! Jack built a plywood seat frame that distributed the pressure more evenly on your backside, and so with a much more modest cushion the seat is much more comfy. This is on my list of "sometime soon" projects for sure!

I've sat in some of those Luscombe seats, and they tore me up. They didn't fit me at all. I agree that the T-craft seats are not the best, but the cushions can make a big difference. Tom