How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

[mhorowit]

I'm taking a re-look at an Tcraft we discussed earlier - covered prior to 2000 using what was at that time considered OK: Stits thru silver followed by butyrate topcoats.

Well, now we know the butyrate wasn't an ideal choice, hence Rev20
which says stick with polythane/tone. And the reason is evident as I
look at the butyrate topcoat peeling off in places.

So, how did the folks who followed the original advice and were free
to use butyrate topcoats 'recover' from that mistake? Is there a
graceful way to get back to silver and build from there? - Mike

[N96337]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

The best and most economical way, Mike.... you said it.... recover. I've talked to people that will swear they stripped, or shot air, or water, or whatever and got all the offending coating off...but if it was mine, I wouldn't waste all that time and effort putting good money after bad... the fabric and process up through silver isn't that expensive. I'd rather do it once and have it done right and fresh.
John H.

[Robert Lees]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

the folks who followed the original advice and were free
to use butyrate

Yes they were able to do that then. Perhaps not freely, but it still didn't comply with the Stits manual, but was not then illegal. We all know better now, but the only difference to the manual is a statement that now one must use the complete system.

Perhaps now that we see the compatibility problems with these systems, we all should have known better?

[mhorowit]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

Rob - so how did they 'recover' from their error? I can't imagine everyone who made that error ripping off fabric and starting from scratch. How might they have returned to silver (last approved step before stepping into the can of butyrate)? - Mike

[Robert Lees]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

I don't beleive they did, Mike. I'm restoring a BC12 D where the top coat has been falling off for 12 years.

It looked great for about the first 6 years. Suction works great, you know!

[mhorowit]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

I don't beleive they did, Mike. I'm restoring a BC12 D where the top coat has been falling off for 12 years.

It looked great for about the first 6 years. Suction works great, you know!

Hmmm.
So keep flying and let Joe Bernoulli do his job. when all the colored dope is gone, light sanding, quick clean with MEK and restart the Stits/Polyfibre process.
That's what I hear; right? Maybe I'll offer $7,000 tomorrow and see what he says.- Mike

[Jim Herpst]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

I know what I would say and do if in todays market I was offered $7000 for a flying project.... But hey what the H#@ he can not mash your head in for asking..... then again I know what I would do

[mhorowit]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

I know what I would say and do if in todays market I was offered $7000 for a flying project.... But hey what the H#@ he can not mash your head in for asking..... then again I know what I would do

Hello Jim - I really hate a confrontation, but I have to start negotiations somewhere and give myself some wiggle room, so I'll screw up my courage and see how low he'll go. It does fly, but having seen some of the experimentals that fly, that's a low standard to set! Run out engine and dope peeling away from the Stits silver coating.... what would you suggest was a fair price for this BC-65?

[N96337]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

Stick to your guns, Mike.. you're doing fine at that price... he's got a basket case.. maybe it does fly..by someone's standards.. Like they say oats are one price and used oats are another.....
John H.

[taylorcraftbc65]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

Mike,
If you can get it for $7,000, then even if you did recover the plane you probably have about the same amount of money into it as I paid for "Manu Sina", and I feel that I got the deal of the century.

Sorry that I vanished guys, VERY VERY sick friend, ( the guy I bought the Taylorcraft from), and taking care of him and his affairs took all of my time. I should be back to my old form in a week or so. Brie

[dewhitaker]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

Go for it Mike! Remember, a "fair price" is what a willing seller and a willing buyer are able to agree upon. That is a personal thing depending on each ones needs at the time. Don't worry about making a low offer, that is the whole point of negotiating. If the seller is really interested in selling, and you are really interested in buying, you will do fine.

[alwaysoar]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

I agree-- Negotiating isn't personal--just business. If he doesn't like your offer, he'll say no. Simple. You should have your top dollar in mind, however. My question is this: is the fabric going to last for a few years, even if it's ugly, so you can have an opportunity to fly it for a while before you have to do anything? You said the engine is run out. Same question: can you fly it X number of hours without trouble? Have you flown it? I would want to see oil temp/pressure/consumption if it's high time. We have a guy here with over 3K since major and going strong.

Ed

[VictorBravo]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

Stits/Polyfibre process

You've been hanging around with one too many Englishmen... it's Poly-Fiber

[Yellow Duck]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

It always cost about twice what we expect. And, once you pay, you will not receive a refund when you find much more work than you thought.$7k sounds about right. But sometimes it doesn't take but a few $$ more to get the seller off point and sell. He needs to feel as tho he wasn't suckered.

Just sold my frame off restoration,(El Camino) took two yrs and about $20K finished three yrs ago and put 3200 miles and garaged kept. Real beauty (in my eyes) Put it on E-Bay. Top dollar was $8K, but a guy from Hawaii called and offered me $11K. Sold it. He is happy, I am sad but glad it has gone to a good home. Not what I wanted, but was all I could get. Done deal !

Give the owner time, and make him an offer with CASH. Put the $7K in $100 dollar bills in front of him on a table. Let him either pick up the money or you. If he doesn't, try again next week or the week after.

Good luck and keep us posted.

[mhorowit]

Re: How did they recover from the Stits Rev 20?

You've been hanging around with one too many Englishmen... it's Poly-Fiber

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah