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**Forrest Barber** · 01-12-2014, 13:57

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

I AM HEADING OUT FOR A SUNDAY EVENING VISIT WITH FRIENDS ; ONE BEER AND SOME WINGS. WILL CHECK BACK TOMORROW.... THANKS FOR LISTENING
THANKS TO Brian, David, Ryan, Bob, Rob and two ministers and the Lord for staying with me!!

**Guest** · 01-12-2014, 15:09

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Originally posted by Forrest Barber View Post

approx. 2 yrs. ago ; I began to realize that my wife of 47 years was exhibiting dementia . Aug of 2012 lead to a visit to a Dr. that misdiagnosed her and referred her to another Clinic psychologist . I could not attend that visit , Patty went with our daughter . I did not know about this next missed appointment till I got the bill for a missed visit. To make a long story short ; Christmas 2012 was a tragedy; the fly in 2013 was worse.
All 6 other events were very bad... I almost gave up completely when Patty had me charged with Domestic Violence in May 2013,,, YES off to jail in hand cuffs. Total figment of misunderstanding , she became hateful, I did not know what to do ; the rest of the family was in denial, still are in many ways ...... I did plead to a disorderly conduct. Had to hire a Criminal Attorney, Doug Taylor, son of C.G. Taylor. This could have been a Felony. The court action is over; action is being taken in court for a resolution to our situation.... more as it happens
SO!! Please attend meetings at Fly-In time; Dates are July 11,12,13 2014 being put on web site soon. www.barberaircraft.com

Big lawsuit with Chesapeake Oil pending may solve all problems

PLEASE READ AND REMEMBER;;;;;;; THIS IS A TYPICAL NEWSLETTER. ISSUED TO NEW MEMBERS POSTED ON FORUM ALONG WITH ALL NEWSLETTERS FROM DAY 1

Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc. , 2013
13820 Union Ave. NE
Alliance, Ohio 44601
330 823-1168 cell 330 495-5447
Web site: www.taylorcraft.org Forum vb.taylorcraft.org
E-mail: [email protected]

Dues $20.00 per year, application on the website or use:

http://www.taylorcraft.org/tf_application.html

“To preserve the history and technical information of the Taylorcraft airplanes”
I want to thank you for joining or renewing with the Taylorcraft Foundation; we have over 1120 registered members. I am available three days out of the week usually Tues, Wed and Thurs afternoons to answer questions and attempt to find parts. We have flat file drawers with drawings set up in the other room, we put them back into a usable order for copying and use by the members of the Foundation. OUR newsletter is electronic and on the discussion forum under the Foundation stuff. I will do a new one next week for Aug 2012. If you need hard copy, call or e-mail and we can do it.

The Director’s of the Foundation are Forrest Barber, Doug Taylor, Bob Ollerton. We now have Regional Representatives: California, Bill Berle; Texas, Buell Powell; Ohio, David Whitaker; Florida, Jon Timlin, and their surrounding states. Just added Martin Towsley and more are considered. We will be adding one director in 2013. Bruce Bixler Went West and will be replaced in the future. Duke Iden has also gone West in 2012..
Please use our web site www.taylorcraft.org and all of its areas before asking questions that may already be on the site. We have a FAQ area that has updated information Watch our web site for “factory news” and check out www.taylorcraft.com for news directly from the factory. (If they want to do so!!)
The discussion forum is http://vb.taylorcraft.org Bob Ollerton is web master for all.
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Dues are payable in Dec. each year. WE will accept Pay-Pal. Always use your Taylorcraft Foundation member # in the message header for faster service. (I.e.; TF #1)
WE do about 30 messages a day and only work three afternoons per week.
The used and new old stock parts here in Alliance are sold through Barber Aircraft, 330 823-1168 www.barberaircraft.com. Please check THAT web site for aircraft for sale.
The BARBER AIRPORT IS FOR SALE T00! I HOPE TO BE A PART OF IT IN THE FUTURE. CALL OR E-MAIL FOR MORE DETAILS.
The Taylorcraft Foundation is still the best web source for our ships and maintains the “history and technical information” “Welcome Aboard new guys & renewals”

Forrest A. Barber, Executive Director Daniel Barber-Cironi, Office Manager

IF YOU AHVE A PROBLEM CALL OR DIRECT E-MAIL WILL WORK....... FORREST

Hi Forrest,

What drawings do you have there?

In other words what drawing numbers do you have?

Or said another way what is the description of the drawing sets? What model planes and a what component groups do you have?

Are they "B" models drawings? Are ther "A" model drawings?

Also is there a copy facility near by and how big a drawing can they copy?

Would be nice to have some idea of what the drawing inventory is.

Thanks, Dave.

**Hank Jarrett** · 01-12-2014, 15:56

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

I have not been in the room with Forrest's drawing collection, but was told it is EXTENSIVE. MUCH too much to list what he has. I would NOT expect Forrest to provide a list of part numbers, I really don't think it would be possible for one person to do it.

The huge amount of paper, material and head knowledge Forrest has needs to be preserved, and some of us are looking for ways to do it. BIGGEST problem is how to preserve what Forrest KNOWS. We really need to set it up so he can focus there while some of us digitize, archive and inventory. It is a monumental task.

Patience, better times are coming.

Hank

**Guest** · 01-12-2014, 16:57

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Originally posted by Hank Jarrett View Post

I have not been in the room with Forrest's drawing collection, but was told it is EXTENSIVE. MUCH too much to list what he has. I would NOT expect Forrest to provide a list of part numbers, I really don't think it would be possible for one person to do it.

The huge amount of paper, material and head knowledge Forrest has needs to be preserved, and some of us are looking for ways to do it. BIGGEST problem is how to preserve what Forrest KNOWS. We really need to set it up so he can focus there while some of us digitize, archive and inventory. It is a monumental task.

Patience, better times are coming.

Hank

I disagree.

My question was posed from various perspectives and it should be possible to answer it from at least a couple of them.

A part number list was only one of them.

I suggest letting the foundation answer for itself.

Dave

**crispy critter** · 01-12-2014, 17:10

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Forrest,
To hell with plans and parts for the moment, is there anything I can do to help. Sounds like a round year or so for ya.....and if ya need help going thru and sorting parts and plans give me a call, I'll fly up and help when I can. Hope 2014 is much better for ya my friend.

**Ryan** · 01-13-2014, 10:48

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

To anyone that is interested, I spend the entire week at barber airport prior to flyin helping Forrest with things. I would be happy to help anyone who wants organize anything for the foundation. I realize this is not the option for everyone based on time/distance etc... But that time frame is when many plan to come to the area anyway. I am also local so if anyone wants to come in another time give me a call/message, I will come if available. We need develop a system which is easy to distribute (electronic). The issue is time. If there are ideas please share!

Forrest, no problem! Anything I can do to help. My plane would still be a pile of parts in my garage without your help. Anything you need give me call. Starting to get very excited about our project in new phila. Glad to see things trending up for you

**Forrest Barber** · 01-13-2014, 12:30

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

God Bless all of you, I was going to stick & close this thread to avoid a lot of explanation..... Lets discuss the future ; for the ones who need drawings and technical data , IT IS HERE!
I do not have time to ship . The Model D CD's are still available .
MY Brain is here for a while , come and record any comments ;I speak each year at the Fly-Ins RECORD IT !!! we tried to put it on the web site and the forum I don't think a lot of members use the FAQ or ALL of the newsletters to their advantage... got to run still busy running the airport..... Parts of it are still FOR SALE> Our Attorneys Dad went west on Sat ; our Attorney will resume with us on FRI the BIG meetings with Doug Taylor are WED the 16th. I am calling those "factory numbers now!"

**Forrest Barber** · 01-13-2014, 12:59

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Called the 956 554 9166 spoke with Jessica am sending stuff now... Juan is her boss was with Harry ; I will sort things out. Give me a day or so.
We have our own problems here at the airport .
How about THIS weather; how about them BROWNS .....

If DRUDE needs any answer from the Foundation just call with your TF# during NORMAL hours EST thank u Forrest TF#1.

Thanks for the comments from the ones who understand . I went too great length to acquire this data ; some is getting a bit sad ..... Aeronca club copied all of theirs lots of bucks ....

**Guest** · 01-13-2014, 15:04

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Originally posted by Forrest Barber View Post

Called the 956 554 9166 spoke with Jessica am sending stuff now... Juan is her boss was with Harry ; I will sort things out. Give me a day or so.
We have our own problems here at the airport .
How about THIS weather; how about them BROWNS .....

If DRUDE needs any answer from the Foundation just call with your TF# during NORMAL hours EST thank u Forrest TF#1.

Thanks for the comments from the ones who understand . I went too great length to acquire this data ; some is getting a bit sad ..... Aeronca club copied all of theirs lots of bucks ....

You're kidding.

You can't inform through the forum what the foundation has to offer? Don't the dues paying members deserve knowing that?

So what you are saying is that to find out what the foundation has to offer in terms of drawings you can't comment here on the forum but rather one such as myself must join or re-join and get a TF number then call to ask what you have to offer.

That's crazy, that makes no sense does it?

I stopped sending my dues in a while because the foundation was not offering anything of value to me. The forum does and I have made contribution to it.

Drawings would have value to me as I have some landing gear repairs to make a drawings would help.

But you are saying that to discover IF you have anything that may help I need to pay up my dues in order to ask. Really is that what you mean to say?

Dave

**Guest** · 01-13-2014, 16:09

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Forrest and all,

It's obvious that I am not going to get answer to a basic question.

I have no desire for a prolonged confrontation or argument or whatever it should be called.

I retract my questions and will drop this now.

Dave

**Michael** · 01-13-2014, 16:24

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Hi all! We are working on a 37 Taylorcraft Young, #270 and 46 Taylorcraft. Any help will be appreciated. Need Service Manual for Taylor Young. [email protected]. I will be joining the foundation. If the foundation needs help, I can fly in from California and donate a week of my time photo copying, cataloging, etc. All I need is to be fed once a day, 1 hot shower, and I can sleep in a barn.
Michael Perez, M.A.
Retired social worker
Masters Degree in Psychology
EAA Chapter 1432, President
Stockton, Ca.
Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None

**barnstmr** · 01-13-2014, 16:48

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Hello Forrest,
First I want to express my heartfelt sympathy to you Forrest for dealing with so many adversities lately and I am thankful that things are looking up for 2014 for you. I don't want to start a big debate over religion here, but I do want you to know that you are in my prayers. Though you and I have never met, I have an appreciation for all of the things you do in the ongoing effort to assist others and encourage others to keep these old Taylorcrafts flying. I can relate to how much effort it takes to put on a fly-in and to preserve technical information and to field inquiries from people on a regular basis. It takes up a lot of time. The business of being a Taylorcraft technical support Guru is certainly not a means to earn a solid living these days, unless you can supply many legitimate products for sale and/or charge fees for the services rendered. I realize that your technical support over the phone is done so with no fee required. It appears to me that you have many irons in the fire other than Taylorcraft support. So, kudos to you for volunteering your technical expertise to folks when you can. Obviously you are a busy man and adding to all of that your legal issues and your family and personal health issues, you are spread thinner than butter on toast!

I have learned that life tends to go that direction for many of us. My associations with Taylorcrafts started as a kid and I knew of your name back in the early 1980s when my Dad was a subscriber to the TOC. But in the mid 1980s, my life began as a young adult and subsequently I went on a Hietus from Taylorcraft involvement until around 2003 when I found this forum. Lo and behold, it quickly became apparent that Forrest Barber was still at it and was considered by many to be the premier Taylorcraft Guru. There was that familiar name again. I have spoken with you over the phone a couple of times, though you may not remember me. I joined the Foundation in 2003 and was paid up for a couple of years before I let it lapse.

Since I found the forum in 2003, I have become more and more active on the forum and in my side work as a DER. I got deeper involved when I first obtained the STC for the L-2 engine upgrades and even deeper when I obtained the Gilberti/Harer STC. I added those STC's to my side work which already was up and running to provide DER services. What I have found is that the work of supporting Taylorcrafts is needed. And it is rewarding to deal with Taylorcraft owners because most all of them are very fine people and genuinely good natured folks. I have met some good friends and interesting people through this forum. I certainly do not claim to be a Guru on Taylorcrafts. I learn more about these little birds every day as I have tried to help people out when they call. All I am trying to say is that I can see first hand what it is like to provide resources to the Taylorcraft group in general. And it is wonderful... a true labor of love. But after awhile it begins to be a lot of work and consumes just about all your free time. In my case, I also manage a household of 6 kids, two dogs, two cats, in-laws next door and an 80 yr-old mom living 2-hours away, plus a very demanding full time job. So the job of fielding Taylorcraft tech support inquiries has to be a lower priority than all of those things. Thankfully, since I have remained generally healthy I have managed to juggle all of these things with a decent balance. I try not to let people down but sometimes it happens. I can only imagine that if I were facing more serious adversities that something would have to give. It is not easy being a one-man-band. So, it is truly a dilemma to come up with a graceful way of letting people down. It seems the busier I get and the older I get, this happens more often.

And so it goes that we must face the reality that these Taylorcraft airplanes have endured through several generations and seemingly will continue long after we are all gone. The folks who work to support them come and go. My time won't last forever and I realize that. In fact, I am realizing that I have been so busy with all of these other things, I have had almost zero time to work on my own airplane and enjoy flying it. So Forrest, I have said all of this to say that I understand how things can pull you away from this thing that you love and enjoy. I recommend to you the same thing I am going to strive for in 2014. And that is... SPEND TIME WITH YOUR LOVED ONES AND STRIVE TO FLY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. HELP OTHERS, BUT DON'T LET THESE TAYLORCRAFTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO FLY THEM CAUSE YOU ANY ANXIETY. BE HONEST AND JUST TELL THEM WHEN YOU CAN'T COME THRU WITH SUPPORT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. As I said, most of these folks are wonderful people and resourceful. They are understanding unless they have been let down on their expectations. One great thing about this forum.... is that it has expanded the resources immensely for Taylorcraft owners. It allows for open communication and the honest and dishonest are revealed to all.

Having said all of that, I want to express my observations and a few opinions for whatever it is worth. As I have observed on the forum over the past few years, there seems to be many (or maybe it is just a few) that have been disappointed when dealing with you, Forrest Barber. Mostly, the disappointments have to do with un-fulfilled expectations. It seems there is a certain expectation that comes along with "joining" the foundation. I am like others who have spoken out on this forum. It seems that nothing is provided in return for the membership dues. My dues are no longer current for this reason, same as Dave Rude. I am not mad about it, but I just see no point in sending money to the Foundation. Maybe I am not seeing the whole picture, but I would just like to know what the money is used for. I have responded a few times to take you up on your claims of having information available (when I was fully active and paid up as a foundation member). When trying to coordinate some way to take you up on the offer to get me the information, I found a dead end. Since I am in Texas, I have no feasible way of coming to your facility to dig for and copy data. I gave up on the expectation that my Foundation membership might help bridge that gap in some way. Again, I am not mad. But it is disappointing. Now that I have changed my expectations to know it ain't gonna happen, I am fine with not being a Foundation member. Instead, I send money to support this forum and I feel satisfied with what it offers me in return. And I feel better assurance that my money is being directed to keep the forum going, rather than not knowing where it goes.

The people who view this forum are interested in what the future holds. None of us know, but my suggestion is to get involved and share information, and help each other. Give and don't have high expectations. I guarantee you will get more out of this forum than you can give. But unless people give, there is nothing to be gained. I am encouraged that there is some talk about coming to help Forrest with the drawings, data, parts, etc. I hope this can happen for the good of all those who are this generation of Taylorcraft caretakers and the next ones to come along. To the best of my abilities, I will be glad to offer help to you Forrest. Let us know what to do and we'll come.

Forrest, I truly do wish for you the best in 2014. I hope you can settle your legal issues and remain healthy enough to fly. I hope you can continue supporting people when they come asking for your expertise. I hope you can be there for your ailing friends and loved ones. I hope to do the same myself this year.

**RobertP** · 01-13-2014, 17:01

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Mike,

You sound just the guy who is needed right now to lighten up this thread! I sincerely hope that someone on the Forum can help you! As to your offer of help it looks to me that Forrest needs every bit of help he can get.

**Pearson** · 01-13-2014, 20:52

Re: Forrest Life and the Taylorcraft Foundation

Very well put Terry! I too joined the Foundation and very quickly learned this was not McDonald's, you don't get it "your way". It has been almost 14 years ago, so I don't recall what it was, but I requested some sort of information from the Foundation. My requests were ignored. I figured OK, no big deal. I learned a lesson and moved on. I didn't gripe, complain, or even mention it, other than a second request. I realized the main value was in the forum. And that is where I have made my contribution and gained the most in return.

I don't know if the drawings are property of the Foundation or Forrest. If they are the Foundation's they need to be protected and a way to better utilize them created. If they belong to Forrest and he doesn't have the time to send out copies, that is just the way it is and everyone needs to deal with it. But if the Foundation owns them, I would hope that high up on the list of priorities would be to protect them. Anyone who has dealt with any type of old documents knows paper doesn't last forever. By digitizing the drawings, they could not only be preserved, but also more easily disseminated to Foundation members.

I would certainly be more inclined to rejoin the Foundation if I knew I could request and receive, for a reasonable fee, a copy of a technical drawing I needed. If it is simply a matter of manpower, I would be willing to share the barn with Mr. Perez if needed. And I mean that very literally. Realistically, if the drawings are as large as some have mentioned, it sounds like the services of someone who deals with blueprints will be needed. They usually have scanners large enough to deal with those types of documents.

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