Aircraft Type / Special Equipment

[runon]

http://www.icao.int/publications/DOC8643/Pages/default.aspx

I've been searching for months (not straight) but in the interest of those looking like I was...visit the link above.

My 46 BC12-D with nothing but a handheld radio

TAYB/X

At least I think that's what it is.

[Robert Lees]

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Well it is, pretty much, at least for the purpose of flight plans; quite what the /X means is beyond me, and I've filed hundreds of flight plans. I thought there was a separate box for communication.

Taylorcraft type designators are also on the Taylorcraft Foundation Tech Resources Page

That's been there for ten years.

ICAO is a good source of information; it's just a great pity that neither the FAA or EASA use the ICAO facility more (and of course, FAA and EASA should come under ICAO rules, but both seem to mis-read the words "International" and "Civil Aviation". Oh, and the "Aviation" word too).

[Pearson]

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Type designators are also listed on Duats.

[runon]

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Awww man it's been in front of me the whole time?!!!

[M Towsley]

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When the tower happens to ask me I advise TAYB. Not finding what is in that link that applies. X ????

[M Jones]

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If memory serves me correctly, the "X" means "negative transponder". Can't find my documentation right now so I might be off base. OK, I did find a reference to X meaning no transponder on a Flight Plan form.

Not to beat this to death, but there's a two page MS Word doc with a chart that may help. Check the faa.gov/forms website, and search for "flight plan equipment /X".

[Robert Lees]

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A story as an aside:

Everyone in the US knows what a Taylorcraft is. It's a little taildragger like a Cub or a C120 or a Champ, or whatever. However, in Europe, it is largely unknown.

So my early flying experiences around the foreign countries of Europe (yes, we have those too) required me, when speaking to ATC, to give my aircraft type. I'd say "Taylorcraft"; whereupon they would say <> "¿Excusé? or similar, depending on the country.

No bugger anywhere (and very often in England) knew what a Taylorcraft was, so I very quickly learned to revert to the ICAO International language for a small taildragger:

"SuperCub".

Like the old American Express adverts: "Accepted in every country around the world". And it works! I even file my Flight Plans as a PA18; it makes life so much easier here in Europe.

[Robert Lees]

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If memory serves me correctly, the "X" means "negative transponder". Can't find my documentation right now so I might be off base. OK, I did find a reference to X meaning no transponder on an AOPA Flight Plan form (attached).

I think /N means no transponder...willing to be corrected.

{Edit: Mike, that ain't no Flight Plan it might be a PLOG...I'll try to find one}

[Robert Lees]

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PDF linked here: http://www.flyingineurope.be/images/CA48.pdf

Aircraft Type and Equipment are separate entries.

Item 10 is comms equipment: I always use S/C meaning Standard radio and Mode C transponder. Mode S would be /S, Alpha would be /A, none would be /N

That might have all changed with 8.33kHz radio spacing requirements. I'll just go non-radio, it's easier.

[M Towsley]

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Well, over in the states they just ask you if you are a Cub, no Super involved.

[Robert Lees]

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If you get the opportunity to fly around the Alps or around Scandinavia, it's all Supercubs...the J3 won't hack it. Plus "Supercub" is understood between Alaska and Antartica, with the Alps and Andes inbetween, in any language.

Oops...my mistake..I must apologise, I forgot to mention that other countries use other languages.

[Edit: esp. going through 5 countries using 5 languages in one flight...on one flight plan: England>France>Belgium>Germany>Denmark]

[M Jones]

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I think /N means no transponder...willing to be corrected.

{Edit: Mike, that ain't no Flight Plan it might be a PLOG...I'll try to find one}

Well part of it is Rob! Granted it's a little dated, but check out the small area in bottom left where it says "Flight Plan Form", and the Special Equipment Suffix section. We use the letter N over here as a prefix. :-)

[dkenney1]

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Having no Transponder, I just tell ATC I'm an Tay12B Stealth. When they say they don't see me on radar, I tell them they're not supposed to. :-)

[astjp2]

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That maybe a copyright infringement!

Well part of it is Rob! Granted it's a little dated, but check out the small area in bottom left where it says "Flight Plan Form", and the Special Equipment Suffix section. We use the letter N over here as a prefix. :-)

[M Jones]

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Edited my post. Thanks.