Engraved cockpit parts

[freightpilot27]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

Hank-
Please put me down for....
1 Mag switch placard
1 Do not Exceed
1 Compass Placard
1 Fuel Shutoff.

Thanks,

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

OK guys, next mailing ready to go out. I am holding off on some of the placards because Josh Brehm has come up with a way to do pressings from thin metal and some planes had pressed placards some years and engraved ones other years. From what I have found the trim indicator plates were pressed/embossed on the early planes and a silkscreen sticker on the late ones. I am sending my original trim indicator part (embossed) along with the drawing of it to Josh as soon as he sends me his mailing address so that one should be available from him. I will pass him the list of people who wanted trim placards too.
The “Do Not Exceed” “wings” came in several styles. I have the 140 M.P.H. ones that are ENGRAVED. If that is what you need, contact me with your mailing address. If your plane had the embossed ones Josh will make them, contact him. ALSO, MAKE SURE WHAT SPEED YOUR PLANE NEEDS!!! Different planes had different speeds! The ones I have so far are all 140MPH. If you need an ENGRAVED one for another speed I can get them with whatever you want (the FAA will frown on MACH 2, you need to look up what you need for either Josh or I and get the right one).
The Compass logos are all IN MY HANDS and ready to mail as are the DNE 140 MPH “wings”. I will start a new thread for each to get with you guys

Hank

I'm SLOW, but I do eventually get there.
I may have to make one of those MACH 2 ones just to have around. (;f

[wmfife]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

...Well, you may be slow Hank but you're ahead of me!

I HAVE an engraved "Do Not Exceed" placard that appears to never have been removed from the panel, is RED (raised parts bare metal) and says "131 mph".

It's a rarity alright, used as far as I know only in the Lycoming BL12- Deluxe series.

IF anyone needs to use it for a template I will first need assistance removing it. But it appears to be in near-mint condition.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

The engraver has red too but I hadn't seen one in red before. I would NOT remove an original one but how about a clear digital photo with a ruler next to it. From that we should be able to make a copy.
Hank

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

To whoever contacted me recently looking for placards, I have lost track of your message so I am re-opening this thread to get the info out.
I have a list of the placards I "think" are required and their placement but it would be a nice idea if we added any others here so we can not only have what is REQUIRED, but what is NEEDED to be safe. Everyone please understand that after we lost Josh, we lost his technique for making the original pressed replica placards. Most of the BEAUTIFUL replicas he made are no longer available, but we CAN make photo copies or engraved replacements that are at least "functional". Every once in a while I try again to reverse engineer his methods, but so far no success. I HAVE broken the code for making copies of original knobs, but not for the Ivory colored ones. So far I am painting them. Nice, but not as nice as Josh used to make.

The panel drawings show the following markings as REQUIRED from the Engine and Instrument Control Drawing NR. 0894.

"Compass correction card" (usually under compass when it is top center and on the left top of the panel when the compass in on top of the glare shield
"Do not exceed XXXMPH" B-766 under the pilots wheel shaft on most post war planes and bottom center on pre war planes. CHECK THE TC for correct speed!
If there is a wing tank a placard is required that says "Do not transfer wing fuel until main tank is half empty" or something similar
"Remove universal when RH control wheel is removed" This placard does NOT appear to be on any lists but SHOULD BE! Universal can JAM the controls
The mag switch is SUPPOSED TO BE LABELED! Early planes called the mags by number, later ones as Right and Left

EACH KNOB UNDER THE PANEL MUST BE LABELED! Left to right the order was originally;
Carb Heat
Lights
Fuel Shut Off NOTE! The clip on the fuel shut off was an AD but I don't think it is still on the list. YOU NEED IT!
Throttle
Primer
Cabin Heat
Mixture
Each knob has which wat to move teh control for it's operation on it

"BAGGAGE CAPACITY xx POUNDS" On hat shelf or headliner behind seats

You also need to have the required paperwork in the cockpit and originally it was in a transparent pouch behind the passenger on the headliner. The minimum paperwork must include the airworthiness certificate, registration certificate, operating limitations, and weight and balance information. The operating limits can be, in many cases, on the actual instruments such as RPM red line, stall speed, VNE etc.

I am sure I have missed some things so please add in anything that I didn't remember off the top of my head. I will try and find photos of the original placards where I have them if someone wants to try to make exact copies. The FAA doesn't care if the placard is original, but they seem to get upset if the info on them is wrong! DON'T put a VNE of Mach 3 on them. They don't think it is funny.

My instructor also didn't really see the humor of one I had that said "In the event that a later flight may not be possible due to collision with other aircraft or ground obstacles, all flight load limits are waived". OK, I thought it was funny! I love teh one that was advertised on Barnstormers last week saying you shouldn't stand up while inverted. In a TAYLORCRAFT? I want to see you stand up inside while it is on the ground!

Hank

[M Towsley]

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Hank,

I don't ever remember seeing any picture of an instrument panel showing the mag switch to be labeled as the magneto switch. Is this something due to later rules? Under the original certification were they? Do they have to be now?

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

Doesn't have to be labeled as a mag switch, but it was labeled as "OFF" "L" "R" "BOTH". I have seen some old ones where the Right and Left were reversed and have photos of the 41 panel where it says "OFF", "MAG 1", "MAG 2", "BOTH". The REALLY old ones have a pull switch for the single ignition that just says "MAG PULL ON". A few planes had a second pull switch when dual mags were added. If anyone wants to go back to original, the pull mag switches are STILL BEING MADE!

Hank

[M Towsley]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

Got it, mine has the markings on the switch. Thanks!

[VanDy]

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Whats the going rate for a full set?

Thanks!

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

Unknown on the price. It would depend on which model and year what you would need, plus we need to get a quote to have them made again. It has been a while.

Hank

[woodmw]

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"When removing control
remove universal joint"

Found on instrument panel drawing.

This placard and the one about max air speed are shown on the drawing, placed under the control wheel column. Rather obscure placement, at least for the one concerning air speed.
Drawing also calls for red line painted on air speed indicator @ 140 mph.

Question: Does the drawing represent the required placement or position of instruments, placards, push-pull controls, etc.?

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Engraved cockpit parts

I have seen factory photos of the placards in other places. The VNE placard is always bottom center on the panel in the 41 photos, other places on other years and models. Also check your TC for the instrument markings. They change based on which TC and engine you have. The baggage weight also changed on different models. Be sure to use the right numbers. I have only seen the universal joint placard next to or under the control wheel shaft. The really confusing one will be the RPM for red line. The TC will show it for he engine ORIGINALLY used. If you have a BF with a Continental use the CONTINENTAL NUMBER!

Hank