1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

[cgibson]

Hi everyone

I have a real nice 41 Deluxe Taylorcraft for sale.
It needs to be rebuilt and covered and some wing repair.

Covering material included with brand new seats.

It is nice. I will take trades.

Please call 920-303-0234

Located at Oshkosh

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

OH MY! That looks NICE! whoever buys it had better get with the rest of the 41 owners here so we can build a portfolio of photos of the rebuild. Just looking at the pictures I see a LOT of original parts that are hard to find. I would LOVE to get pictures of a lot of details that I have reverse engineered on mine to see how close I got.
Hank

We promise whoever buys her LOTS of support to make her a real prize winner!

[Ragwing nut]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

How much? Wanna J-3 project?

[Larry Lyons]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

Wanna just sell the grills????
Larry

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

Larry,
I GOT extra grills! I need side trim! Help me find some and lets get together to get the grills to you.
We REALLY don't want to be vultures on this one. We want to help get it back in the air as an example of a complete one (so we can copy the heck out of it!)
Hank
Mind you, my extra set of grills are still in the cast state. They need to be finished. If I find side trim I also have a set with the side "wings" cut off that look pretty good when used with no side trim.

[Larry Lyons]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

Hank I have a couple of friends that are in to old cars. I will talk to them and set them off looking for us. I tend to believe the trim pieces are generic from someone/something! Larry

PS: Studebaker has been mentioned so will start there.

[crispy critter]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

They are not generic because the center piece that goes down the cowling has taylorcraft formed into it and the nose grills are custom made to fit inside the nose holes.

[Marv]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

I beleive it is an old wives tale. What is the chance that some chrome off of anything is going to be the exact fit for cowling on a Taylorcraft. Maybe a door handle or a straight peice of trim. Marv

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

From the "loaned" set I have (one complete side) it looks like the curved cross section trim "sticks" have been cut from a long piece and a piece of flat welded in the end to close it off. The pieces with "TAYLORCRAFT" stamped into them could easily have been stamped after the fact by hand into the thin stainless. The hole for the door handle was absolutely drilled and punched by hand after the fact. The "stick" is kind of flattened from the punch. They could be cut to any length desired from a long piece.
I tend to believe that is how they were made and the original "sticks" only had the tapered, formed end at one end (where it got pretty smashed for the door handle hole). The same is true for the top and bottom smaller pieced over and under the "TAYLORCRAFT" stamp. It makes sense to me that the factory bought long pieces of trim and cut them to fit, welded in end pieces, punched the holes, stamped the name and polished up the parts for mounting.
It just doesn't make sense to me that Taylor would have paid to have them made custom for an airplane in very small quantities when there was a Studebaker plant just down the road with all kinds of trim to choose from and labor was cheap to modify them in house.
I do know that my 41 is FULL of knobs and handles from old Studebakers (which is why I thing Studebaker is a good place to start).
On the grill, I agree. On all the ones I have seen it looks like a back yard 1930s foundry sand casting jobs from scrap aluminum. We used to call it "Pistalloy" when I fooled around with that stuff because we melted old aluminum pistons from the junk yard. Lord knows what the alloy was by the time we were done, but who cared? We were in our own "HEAVY INDUSTRY". There are no foundry marks on any grill I have ever seen and that is the mark of a home made job. Small time foundries were pretty common in the 1930s.
If anyone finds the core material for the strips I have a really fine welder who can put in the closures. Got to re-discover some details of the stamp process but I know darned well I can put a cleaner door handle hole in than the originals.
Hank

If we can't find some, let's make em!

[Marv]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

Hank as soon as i get a chance i will go down to my local Studebaker dealer and see if they recognise any of this trim. They still have many of the original parts and restored cars and for sale cars that need to be restored. Marv

[crispy critter]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

From the "loaned" set I have (one complete side) it looks like the curved cross section trim "sticks" have been cut from a long piece and a piece of flat welded in the end to close it off. The pieces with "TAYLORCRAFT" stamped into them could easily have been stamped after the fact by hand into the thin stainless. The hole for the door handle was absolutely drilled and punched by hand after the fact. The "stick" is kind of flattened from the punch. They could be cut to any length desired from a long piece.
I tend to believe that is how they were made and the original "sticks" only had the tapered, formed end at one end (where it got pretty smashed for the door handle hole). The same is true for the top and bottom smaller pieced over and under the "TAYLORCRAFT" stamp. It makes sense to me that the factory bought long pieces of trim and cut them to fit, welded in end pieces, punched the holes, stamped the name and polished up the parts for mounting.
It just doesn't make sense to me that Taylor would have paid to have them made custom for an airplane in very small quantities when there was a Studebaker plant just down the road with all kinds of trim to choose from and labor was cheap to modify them in house.
I do know that my 41 is FULL of knobs and handles from old Studebakers (which is why I thing Studebaker is a good place to start).
On the grill, I agree. On all the ones I have seen it looks like a back yard 1930s foundry sand casting jobs from scrap aluminum. We used to call it "Pistalloy" when I fooled around with that stuff because we melted old aluminum pistons from the junk yard. Lord knows what the alloy was by the time we were done, but who cared? We were in our own "HEAVY INDUSTRY". There are no foundry marks on any grill I have ever seen and that is the mark of a home made job. Small time foundries were pretty common in the 1930s.
If anyone finds the core material for the strips I have a really fine welder who can put in the closures. Got to re-discover some details of the stamp process but I know darned well I can put a cleaner door handle hole in than the originals.
Hank

If we can't find some, let's make em!

Hank,
You could be and probably are right on the long stick pieces..I haven't seen too many Studebakers in my time,lol. I just looked at it from the fact that the taylorcraft logo was stamped into it,I know the grills had to be made special for the deluxe

[Carl E. Carson]

Re: 1941 BC12-65 Deluxe For Sale

Last Tuesday on the bulletin board at PDC (Prairie de Chein, Wi) there was a sheet listing a '46 T-craft for sale at Viroqua, Wi. I copied down the info and called the owner. He is 89 years old, just bought it a couple of years ago and flew it home from Texas. He has trouble getting in and out and doesn't like not having a starter as there usually isn't anyone around when he wants to fly to help him. He has been flying since WWII and has over 5000 hours and has owned 10 different planes over the years. He listed the following.

Specs:

'46 BC-12D
TT1750
600 hrs. SMOH
48 hrs. STOH
Annual due in August (now)
All AD's complied with (I assume struts, too) didn't think to ask about this specifically
New bungees
Auto fuel STC
Ceconite new in early 1990's, punched at 80 lb.
Good tires
Includes an ICOM nav/com handheld
Interior good, paint is yellow w/ black trim, maybe a 6 or 7 on a 10 pt. scale

He is asking $16,500, if you want a hangar at Viroque, Wi. the whole works for $20,000. I said if he didn't mind I would post it on the Taylorcraft website, that was OK with him. I'm not in the market. His name is Ivan Joholski, ph. is 608-627-1837.

Carl