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  • #16
    Re: Aileron bracket needed

    A few things from your post (and NOT taken with malice or emotion, far from it).

    First, the regional rep thing was talked about but I was never actually asked to be one. I don't know if anyone was, so I am no more a rep of the Taylorcraft world than any of us. I am just concerned and based on my engineering training and experience sometimes I have a better understanding of how thing work than an average pilot, lots of times not.

    As for possible airworthiness issues and our knowledge of them, there are MANY. You can start with the screw that holds the spinner on and work your way back to the wire bail that holds the lens on the rudder Grimes light. EVERY component is a potential airworthiness issue. If I saw a plane (pretty much ANY plane, not just a Taylorcraft) with an imminent failure risk, I would go to the pilot first and let him know. I have never had a pilot not stop to take a look and make sure everything was OK. Most times it is, but I once got a 737 grounded in Long Island because I saw something while waiting to board. Didn't make the other waiting passengers very happy, but the part WAS broken and our plane had to be changed so they could fix the problem.

    I don't think there is ANY liability in talking about something that, with time, could be a problem. There is a long history of cast aileron hinges corroding and many of us have a box of corroded ones. It is something any IA SHOULD be looking at and looking at the aileron hinges has always been on my pre-flight. Every instructor required me to look at the controls for security, damage and freedom of movement, so it is covered. What I worry about (and remember I have nothing but welded hinges on my planes) is missing one or maybe I get the first cracked welded one.

    ALL airplanes are ticking time bombs and our vigilance makes sure the fuse is long enough or we blow it out before it gets to the bomb. That is the whole concept basis of preventive maintenance. It isn't fear mongering or exaggeration to remind people that carelessness can kill one of us. It has happened before and unfortunately will probably happen again. That has become a sad part of aviation, I just don't want it to happen on OUR watch. We need to catch these things by looking BEFORE they become something that requires an SAIB or an AD. If WE do it, it is pretty easy, if the FAA does it, it's a PITA. We just have to start EARLY in the process, which is why I want all of us to do informal inspections ourselves before any condition gets serious.

    Now if a few guys have to ground their planes because they find failed hinge fittings, then WE need to go to the FAA and let them know for them to do what they seem to do best (that PITA thing again). That could be the only way to protect those who aren't reading here. What I would WANT is to find nothing but some minor corrosion on a few planes that can be fixed next annual with no wide spread implications for the whole fleet, but I am afraid we will find some busted ones and need to take more measures. It would be nice if WE went to the FAA with the problem, and a solution for them already in place.

    Everybody look at your plane! Let the rest of us know the results. Lets blow the fuse out now.

    Hank

    Originally posted by drude View Post
    Hank,

    I have been asking questions hoping to focus in on some things but to save time let me tell you why I am asking.

    You are regional representative of the Taylorcraft Foundation according to a note that I read sometime back that Forrest sent.

    Now you as a Regional rep are saying (see colored text above) that you have been aware for some time that we have an airworthiness issue that will or can result in loss of life.

    What are you going to do about it? You have to turn it over to the FAA if it really is an issue.

    If you don't make the FAA aware and it results in loss of life then you and the Foundation should have your pants sued off using this thread as evidence.

    At the very least have a special airworthiness information bulletin (SAIB) issued and possibly an AD with an AMOC that includes the prewar drawing so that folks can fabricate a replacement.

    If this Foundation is not capable of such a simple action in the face of this "ticking time bomb" then that is really bad.

    Now if you say well its not that its not really an airworthiness issue that can result in loss of life then I will say be careful of what you post and think twice before you do so.

    Offered without malice or emotion, Dave.

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    • #17
      Re: Aileron bracket needed

      Hank,

      I can only find this thread listing regional reps => http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread...light=regional

      As you say then your are not a regional rep.

      I saw a thread at one point that I firmly believe mentioned you as one. I recall replying to it however I cannot now locate the thread.

      Dave

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      • #18
        Re: Aileron bracket needed

        I was on the proposed list, but as far as I know we never officially established regional reps. It is very informal. All the delays in our "Tribe project" have slowed it to a crawl from administration and government interface problems. A part of the new Tribe will include regional clubs, but the reps will be elected by the regions, not appointed. At least that is what is planned.

        Hank

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        • #19
          Re: Aileron bracket needed

          Well, as a side note I was appointed by the Foundation board (?) several years ago as was Hank and the others. I wasn't present at the time, I am assuming it was very informal. I was contacted by Forrest about it and it was discussed at the annual meeting at the fly-in in Alliance in 2011 which I happened to attend that year.

          That being said, I have no real duties except to 'support' the type. I have contacted some magazine editors to correct information or to get them to give our aircraft a little more notice than the constant over-hyping of that little yellow, under-performing airplane everyone but me seems to love. I represent the love and enjoyment for the airplane most of us seem to enjoy.

          I think the more vocal/involved folks seem to be the ones chosen as area reps. There are people that have way more knowledge than me on the type but they either keep to themselves for the most part or don't want to be involved, whatever 'involved' means to some. I have no special knowledge of things happening in the Taylorcraft world except what I have dug up and posted on here, ie. some info on the factory in Brownsville last year, etc. I learned that information from an editor of an aircraft magazine I had contacted. There are very few Taylorcraft owners anywhere near me so I am just an individual who does what I can.

          I think all of us on the forum are area 'representatives' of the Taylorcraft and continue to do what we do which is help each other out when we can. I feel just as frustrated, if not more frustrated, about the lack of news about anything to do with the Foundation and the factory. All I can use is the worn out cliche': "It is what it is".
          Cheers,
          Marty


          TF #596
          1946 BC-12D N95258
          Former owner of:
          1946 BC-12D/N95275
          1943 L-2B/N3113S

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          • #20
            Re: Aileron bracket needed

            I never heard of this proposed list....hmmmm
            N29787
            '41 BC12-65

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            • #21
              Re: Aileron bracket needed

              I have a extra prewar but not sure if I want to part with it for the obvious reasons

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              • #22
                Re: Aileron bracket needed

                In LaPorte, TX:
                Attached Files
                Tim Hicks
                N96872

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                • #23
                  Re: Aileron bracket needed

                  As I referenced in the Banjo wheel thread, I have a manufacturer who can make the tooling to build pre-war WELDED aileron hinges and center hinge/bell-crank supports.

                  The outer and inner hinge brackets would probably run about $45 or $50 each. The more complex bell-crank hinge bracket would run about $65 or $70 each. They are direct replacements for the cast units on most of the post-war planes.

                  We discussed how we could make them and stay within the legal requirements for "Owner Produced Parts" and it could require that the buyer create a drawing (not that hard with all the info provided and this process was used with our FISDO with NO problems). The drawing DOES NOT need to be pretty, but YOU need to make it and it has to have all the design info on it (which we can provide). You can also do the Quality check, which I can do a sheet to walk you through so you can demonstrate you did the QA. He can also make brackets that are tacked together and you can do the final weld and drill if you are in to wanting to say YOU built it (I plan to with a really GOOD welder making sure I don't screw it up).

                  The owner produced parts program was SUPPOSED to encourage us to LEARN while making parts so I have done all three steps on parts I made. I have learned a LOT and it has made me a better engineer, and more importantly shown me that we have a LOT of engineers out there who are book smart and can't sharpen a pencil without screwing it up (haven't seen any in THIS community, but sure have seen a lot professionally).

                  How many are interested in new hinges? Those who are happy with their cast ones, look closely at them next pre-flight. I have a big box of cast hinges. I wouldn't fly with a single one of them. Move them ailerons around good and check for looseness. The cracks are hard to see!

                  Hank

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                  • #24
                    Re: Aileron bracket needed

                    I am in if I can afford them. Tim
                    N29787
                    '41 BC12-65

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                    • #25
                      Re: Aileron bracket needed

                      I'm definitely interested in a set of the inner/outer brackets. Flying on a loaner bracket right now.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Aileron bracket needed

                        Jake, yours makes for the 7th set. Jim Hanson, Tim Popp, Niri Tawä, and I all want one set each and Bernard Dunn wants two. If any of these are wrong, please let me know. Also have 10 wheel caps and two shafts wanted.

                        Folks, that is NOT a lot!

                        Hank

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