New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

For Josh's 40 I am doing research to go back to original and it looks like regular fabric on the inside may be the way to go. If anyone has Chet's book there is a photo of a 40 doors at the plant on pages 97 with what looks like a fabric map pouch. There is another picture with what looks like the same pouch on page 89. Anyone still have one like that? On 96 you an see where they have covered the INSIDE of the tubes in the fuselage so it would match up nice with the rest of the interior with a painted fabric interior door.
On page 94 there is what WOULD be a perfect door but they exposed the photo for Fifi D'Orsay instead of the door panel (so much for a focus on what was REALLY important in the picture!).
Does anyone have have that pouch in their door? It actually looks really handy and would dress up the door so it didn't just look like painted fabric.
Hank

[3Dreaming]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Hank, rather than clamps I would weld tabs on before covering if you are set on an inside interior panel. You could also go ahead and cover the inside and use hook and loop like you said. No self stick though. Sew one side to the panel and glue the other to the door with something like Pliobond. I still think covered and painted to match is the best bet. Simple and lite. If you are worried about water on the inside of the door make a hole in the very bottom corner with a small tipped soldering iron. Tom

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Tom,
I am just stating a lot of research on the 40 so this is good info. If there was no upholstery that kind of solves the problem. Sure would be simpler and lighter! The clamp idea was something I was going to try on the 45 too and the idea is to make the clamp the same shape as the "P" tube and allow it to extend to the inside just enough for room to clear the machine screw. The clamp is very thin and is under the "card stock" upholstery backing material. The only thing that worried me was that the screws would be pretty far from the edges. I also considered using a strip of Velcro around the edge but the tape backed Velcro seems to have real problems with the glue turning to "GOO" over time and letting go. Maybe some upholstery clips around the perimeter under the upholstery and over the backing material?
Sure was easier on the 41. The wood doors already had spots where there had been screws before and they hold and work great! They may be hard to build but the wood doors are tops!
Hank

[3Dreaming]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Thee are two kinds of 40 tube doors (that I know of). One has two diagonal stiffeners and the other has one diagonal and one horizontal. If anyone knows which one is for which planes let us all know. ;-)
What I planed to do was make some "Adel" type clamps for the tubes and set them with a rivnut through the hole to clamp around the tube. Then I would attach the inner door panel to the rivnuts with finishing machine screws.
Haven't don it yet so I don't know if it will work, but that was the plan.
Hank

LOTS more door pictures if you need them.

Hank, most of the frames I have seen were made from a "P" shaped material. This would be kind of difficult to use an adell type clamp. If you are planning on just attaching to the brace tubes I think you will have problems with the edges coming up. Also the clamps will likely show and wear on the outer fabric.

[3Dreaming]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

I think the doors on the 40 would have been fabric covered and painted to match the interior. They would not have had any upholstery attached.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Thee are two kinds of 40 tube doors (that I know of). One has two diagonal stiffeners and the other has one diagonal and one horizontal. If anyone knows which one is for which planes let us all know. ;-)
What I planed to do was make some "Adel" type clamps for the tubes and set them with a rivnut through the hole to clamp around the tube. Then I would attach the inner door panel to the rivnuts with finishing machine screws.
Haven't don it yet so I don't know if it will work, but that was the plan.
Hank

LOTS more door pictures if you need them.

[Taylorman]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

I don't know if the interior of the tube doors was covered originally but most I have seen after possibly several recovers were. I am not sure why it is a good idea. If the interior upholstery is attached to a rigid upholstery board, the whole interior of the door can be opened for inspection by removing the inside door panel.

The tube doors were very prone to rusting out on the bottom, usually from moisture that collected in insulation in the door cavity. I plan on making the interior panels removable on my 45 and taking them off every annual. The nice fitting wood doors on the 41 are really great. I want nice tight ones on the 45 too, and I want to keep them tight.

There is plenty of time to go on my 45, if anyone knows of a reason the interior of the doors SHOULD be covered, please let me know.

Hank

Thank you Hank
There is actualy no attachment points for a upholstery panel or board on the door frame so I am thinking it was covered. If anybody has pictures of the inside of a 1940 BC/BL 65 tube door that would be appriciated.
Thank you all

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

I don't know if the interior of the tube doors was covered originally but most I have seen after possibly several recovers were. I am not sure why it is a good idea. If the interior upholstery is attached to a rigid upholstery board, the whole interior of the door can be opened for inspection by removing the inside door panel.

The tube doors were very prone to rusting out on the bottom, usually from moisture that collected in insulation in the door cavity. I plan on making the interior panels removable on my 45 and taking them off every annual. The nice fitting wood doors on the 41 are really great. I want nice tight ones on the 45 too, and I want to keep them tight.

There is plenty of time to go on my 45, if anyone knows of a reason the interior of the doors SHOULD be covered, please let me know.

Hank

[Taylorman]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Some updates on the project,

-Finished covering the horizontal stabs and elevators, next will be rib stiching them and finishing tape.
-Also cut open the inspection area for the elevator control horns and folded and glued about 1/2 inch of fabric on the inside of the frame.
-All finishing tape is done on the fuselage.
-Will cover the doors and rudder next.

[Taylorman]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Question to the group.
I am covering the doors of my 1940 BL65 project, is the inside of the doors also covered with fabric?

Thanks

[Taylorman]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

We refer to that one as the "inverted mustasche" logo.

Very nice, was that painted free hand or is it a decal?

[barnstmr]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Man I love all the old pre-war logos! Hank

We refer to that one as the "inverted mustasche" logo.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Man I love all the old pre-war logos!

Hank

[barnstmr]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

Here is the tail of 1039 BC65 NC22207. Maybe you can scale it for dimensions, but looks to be approx 4 inches.



photo by Doug Ratchford at the 2012 Central Texas Taylorcraft Fly-in

[Taylorman]

Re: New 1940 BC65 Restoration.

I have a call into him, will let you know

He said to use AC 43.13.1B

b. When the original lace spacing on the
empennage surfaces and fuselage, is not
known, a maximum spacing of two times the
spacing shown in figure 2-12 for the slipstream
area (prop wash) on the wings may be used.

So I will use 4" just like the vertical fin that was already done.

Thanks all!