New threads

[Ragwing nut]

Re: New threads

Yea, this lead in thread was really to get discussions started and get the initial arguing out of the way. I like the idea of an avionics thread and as soon as it opens I will post the templates for the battery boxes that went in front of the kick panel between the pilot and passenger on the floor. I had an original that I made drawings from and made a copy for my 41 and will be making one for the 45. I also have templates for the original glove boxes (the pre war ones in 41 were smaller than the ones after the war). The 45 was again the test beds for the larger glove boxes.

I also have a set of original wheel pants and the cast attach fittings as well as the later welded up set. The welded ones look like they were made in a Jr High school welding class. VERY solid, but really ugly. The cast ones are beautiful, but are cast and from an engineering point of view I would NOT use these. Castings can easily become a mass of cracks flying in close formation. What I wanted to do was weld up a set of steel pant fittings and put a glass fairing over them that would look like the cast ones. Strength of steel and beauty of the cast ones. Not sure of the legality though. Evidently the welded ones were ugly enough that Taylorcraft experimented with a smooth aluminum fairing to cover them but I only have pictures. Anyone have one?

Hank

THe only welded one I am aware of are the ones wag aero used to make. I had some cast ones, not sure if I still do.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New threads

Yea, this lead in thread was really to get discussions started and get the initial arguing out of the way. I like the idea of an avionics thread and as soon as it opens I will post the templates for the battery boxes that went in front of the kick panel between the pilot and passenger on the floor. I had an original that I made drawings from and made a copy for my 41 and will be making one for the 45. I also have templates for the original glove boxes (the pre war ones in 41 were smaller than the ones after the war). The 45 was again the test beds for the larger glove boxes.

I also have a set of original wheel pants and the cast attach fittings as well as the later welded up set. The welded ones look like they were made in a Jr High school welding class. VERY solid, but really ugly. The cast ones are beautiful, but are cast and from an engineering point of view I would NOT use these. Castings can easily become a mass of cracks flying in close formation. What I wanted to do was weld up a set of steel pant fittings and put a glass fairing over them that would look like the cast ones. Strength of steel and beauty of the cast ones. Not sure of the legality though. Evidently the welded ones were ugly enough that Taylorcraft experimented with a smooth aluminum fairing to cover them but I only have pictures. Anyone have one?

Hank

[Mark Bowden]

Re: New threads

Hank, on the box cover, that's an interior part which falls under owner maintenance. Saw that idea was done in the late 90's on an Tcraft, it is silk screened, with RCA plugs and knobs. It looks really cool.

I've thought of doing that on mine and would put a Trig radio adn Xpndr in behind it, hiding the new stuff as 39911 had an Airboy installed in '47, plus other radios later.

We should maybe start a thread on "avionics" installed and how it was signed off on in the past as a way to put this stuff in. Mine had a ton of stuff over the years. At one point the 337 form required a placard on gas and baggage limits with a passenger because it got so heavy.

Also, we should really start new threads on different topics, we do ourselves a disservice for finding stuff in future searches. Like you mentioned earlier Hank on doing a proper "how to" for Bill's original tank issue. While really interesting this thread long.

Cheers, Mark

[Mark Bowden]

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Thanks Garry, I was wondering if maybe they treated the 309 form like an auto build sheet, if there is a choice, it would be listed. Bit disappointing but not at all surprising.

Mine is similar and attached. It appears to have a typo (surprise! lol) as one of the numbers doesn't have a TCDS match and no sub group on the position lights/battery. Plus I have an A65-8 where the TDCS says it should be an -8F for a BC12-D. Also not surprising given that she was built in July, '45 before the BC12-D type cert was issued. Sold in Oct., AW issued on delivery in Nov. after TC award in same month.

Trivia, the TC's and their info is key to us, but it is an unheralded triumph to get a Production Certificate. Taylorcraft's Production Certificate was #9. It's cool they are in single digits of cert issue.

Mark

[Ragwing nut]

Re: New threads

Oh and I have that battery box. but on the de Luxe they were installed under the baggage sling

[Ragwing nut]

Re: New threads

I'm more interested in the wheel pant fairing for the "Super de Luxe". Drawing is correct for a '45 model. They have prewar doors on them. You want to talk about a bastard airplane, it needs it own thread.

[Bigdog]

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So what was the radio protocol? They were receivers for A/N Radio Range nav I assume plus receiving tower or ??? Then there were transmitters for 2-way I guess. Did they have combined transceivers? What frequency ranges and bands were available?

Interesting that the Airboy was one-way (receiver) and the Airboy Sr had a single replaceable crystal for transmit. I didn't realize how advanced the Narco Superhomer in my first Tcraft was. It had 10 crystals and whistle-stop tuning to match the receiver for duplex. I was able to fly from Illinois to Seattle in 1975 with those 10 frequencies. I forget which frequencies it had but I know I had the tower freqs for Tulsa, Renton and Boeing (King).

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New threads

It's a '45 panel but the door detail is of a prewar (pentagonal rather than trapezoid).
And the rear window has the tubing in it so isn't a "D" window either.

...Apparently the artist wasn't the purist most of us are.

But that said Rolfe's art was to die for when I was a kid.

Bill,
I think when he did the drawing he was looking at one of the post war prototypes. The drawing matches my 45 very closely. Right down to the foot well inner upholstery, side vent locations, battery box and seat upholstery details. I just wish he had angled up just a tad more. If he had shown my triangular skylights I would think he drew it from my actual plane!
Too bad the floor boards on mine covered up the dual brake fittings on the fuselage. I really believe they never figured out how to rig them and just closed them up under the floor boards on the right.

Hank

[Garry Crookham]

Re: New threads

Aca-309

[Garry Crookham]

Re: New threads

As Tom and Garry have posted a standard wing tank is in the RH wing. I think if you got the aux wing tank from the factory it should be noted on your ACA-309, page 2 form as item 115 on the equipment list. Mine has the RH tank as it should have, but it is not listed on the 309 as standard capacity is 18 gallons.

Does anyone have a 309 form for an aircraft that has both wing tanks and can see if that is indeed how the paperwork was done?

Also side note on equipment installs, 39911 had many, many radios, batteries, wind generators, etc… installed/removed over time and all were just noted on a 337 as equipment with a new W&B computed and a/c returned to service.

It would be interesting to note if anyone has one, how the 309 form defined a factory Airboy radio as it isn’t listed on the TCDS as an option.

My airplane came from the factory with both wing tanks. I'll attempt to attach my ACA-309.

[wmfife]

Re: New threads

It's a '45 panel but the door detail is of a prewar (pentagonal rather than trapezoid).
And the rear window has the tubing in it so isn't a "D" window either.

...Apparently the artist wasn't the purist most of us are.

But that said Rolfe's art was to die for when I was a kid.

[PA1195]

Re: New threads

So what was the radio protocol? They were receivers for A/N Radio Range nav I assume plus receiving tower or ??? Then there were transmitters for 2-way I guess. Did they have combined transceivers? What frequency ranges and bands were available?

Gary

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New threads

As far as I can find the radio was an extra cost option. It was shown on their advertising booklets and magazine adds. Actually no way to see if they ever sold one with it unless it is shown on someones original equipment list.

Any of the regulation wizards know what the FAA would say about a glove box door that was a fake radio front?

Hank

This should be a fun conversation. ;-)

Yes I know it is a picture of the 45 panel.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: New threads

As far as I can find the radio was an extra cost option. It was shown on their advertising booklets and magazine adds. Actually no way to see if they ever sold one with it unless it is shown on someones original equipment list.

Any of the regulation wizards know what the FAA would say about a glove box door that was a fake radio front?

Hank

This should be a fun conversation. ;-)

[PA1195]

Re: New threads

My BF12-65 N36007 S/N 2972 original ACA-309 6/24/41 lists under the Aircraft Operation Record section "Fuel Tanks" a 6 gal fuel tank at +24 but not as an item number on the Equipment List. My second tank was installed by person or persons unknown and was inspected for conformity later via STC SA1-210 installation. There's no mention of a factory radio, but a Ranger receiver was installed and removed later.

Edit: There was a main and wing fuel tank installed by the factory and noted with X's next to the typing. No Item # anywhere for either that I can find on the ACA-309 or TCDS. Dual wing tanks were shown standard with the Model 19 on 1A9. No Item # there. Must be Ghost Manufacturing Inc.

Gary