How does this affect a Clip Wing??

[3Dreaming]

I'm wondering how this will affect an experimental clip wing. This was pulled from EAA's E-Hotline.

In a related matter, the FAA recently issued clarifying language to FAA Policy 8130.2 (Change 3) stating that parts from type-certificated aircraft are not approved for use in amateur-built aircraft. The language reads: "A rebuilt, altered, or repaired type-certificated aircraft DOES NOT meet the intent of § 21.191(g) and DOES NOT meet the § 21.191(g) requirement that the major portion of the aircraft be fabricated and assembled." This language was added due to concerns with past policy interpretations that have led to the certification of aircraft that FAA headquarters questioned as meeting the eligibility requirements for an amateur-built certificate.

[Vasey fan]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Good question, I hadn't heard about this. Could be bad news for guys like me who are still in the project stage.

Maybe Eric can offer some insight.

[Swick-T N7010S]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

I have a full Swick-T that is licensed experimental amature build. I think a Swick conversion actually falls under the 51% rule. But I think the FAA is trying to to aviod pilots takeing a certified airplane and making them experimental just because they feel like changing them a little and don't want to follow the FAR's.

Mike

[3Dreaming]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

I have a full Swick-T that is licensed experimental amature build. I think a Swick conversion actually falls under the 51% rule. But I think the FAA is trying to to aviod pilots takeing a certified airplane and making them experimental just because they feel like changing them a little and don't want to follow the FAR's.

Mike

I know the intent, but it is the wording that scares me. The clip wing could be considered a altered type-certificated airplane.

[Ragwing nut]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

How is this any different than buying a Van's RV fast build kit that is nearly assembled structurally? Idiots I tell you.

mike

[N96337]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

I agree totally, Mike....and if you read that to the letter, then a certified engine couldn't be used either..... hmmmmmm
JH

[Acroeric]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Guys- the swick meets the 51% rule- it is on the front page of the plans. The wording in that order has been around forever. It is to prevent someone "assembling" a type certificated aircraft entirely from parts then calling it amateur built. Now- I'm not saying this hasn't been done but it was done incorrectly. You can use parts from certificated aircraft- they just do not count towards the 51% rule. The wording is very confusing- I agree.

[Ragwing nut]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Guys- the swick meets the 51% rule- it is on the front page of the plans. The wording in that order has been around forever. It is to prevent someone "assembling" a type certificated aircraft entirely from parts then calling it amateur built. Now- I'm not saying this hasn't been done but it was done incorrectly. You can use parts from certificated aircraft- they just do not count towards the 51% rule. The wording is very confusing- I agree.

Ok, then stump this one, what is the difference between using an original J-3 Cub fuselage, and a fully welded Cubby fuselage. I know you are probably biting your tongue with the rest of us, but somebody needs to B***H slap whoever is writing these clarifications.

Mike

[Bobdog]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

This has got me nervous. I'm 85% finished building my plane from "spare parts" just like it says on the registratioin form. Because of all the mods I made and all the parts I've made, and not having a data plate, log books, or registration, I can't license it as a factory built airplane, and because it has a factory fuselage, landing gear, tail feathers, wing and aileron ribs etc, I can't register it as home built. Should I just push it out of the hanger and set it on fire?

[crispy critter]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Don't do that Bob!!! It is still good parts for the rest of us,lol..Sorry,I couldn't resist that one. Don't give up,you can get approval...it just might take a little longer then expected.

[Jim Herpst]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Bob ah Bob You built a modified SWICK. Right? Right Bob. Lets see. Bob to FAA " I just completed my Swick and need the sign off. Ok now take a deep breath of fresh air Bob it will be ok

[Bobdog]

Re: How does this affect a Clip Wing??

Why yes, it's a long wing Swick! I don't know what I'd do without you Guys!

Thanks, Bob