Flaps on clipwing

[KTW]

Have some ideas about installing flaps on 90 hp wondering what flap to use. Any ideas on how to install and operation

[Swick-T N7010S]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

Why would you want to add that weight? I don't think flaps are needed on a clipp wing.


Mike

[Robert Lees]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

Not necessary. To what purpose are you aiming?

[KTW]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

On my 160 hp when in bad weather any time you get below 80 mph the nose blocks your view forward. That you have to keep pushing the nose over to see. I also use mine off the farm. Flaps would make a better X country aircraft more dual purpose I need a clip that does both well.

[Acroeric]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

Ever consider flaperons?

[flylo]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

I'd like to explore flaps or flaperons for the 160HP amfib I'm building.I like the idea of a flatter approach. I haven't built the wings yet,so all ideas are welcome. Eric,design the flaperons & I'll be the guinea pig.

[Dick Smith]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

Look at the flap arrangement on the Interstate Arctic Tern.
Same airfoil. http://www.scaleaero.com/arctern.jpg Dick

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

There are Spoilers out there! We developed the boxes for the F-21 wing used on the D-52 long wing Taylorcraft... Lets talk aboaut them a bit, don't know if that would solve the problem.
View over nose is great in a slip....A few folks have seen me in the clip do a snap roll on final, recover into the slip and hold it to ground level round out and touch down.... Really.

[Ragwing nut]

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I know spoilers on an L-2M don't change attitude. It jus t comes straight down. I would use a cut down T-cart aileron with aileron bracketry and aileron ribs inboard where long ones were. It is basically what was done on the F-22. Simple and uses factory parts.

Mike

[VictorBravo]

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Flaperons are all well and good, EXCEPT that if you have full flaps and then use brisk right aileron to counter turbulence you can stall the left wingtip and have a left snap roll problem. For real STOL work you can solve this by using full span flaps and spoilers for roll control, but then you ruin the acro response. The Taylorcraft slips very well, and in a right-rudder slip you can see "over the nose" just great... through the left cabin door window!

[KTW]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

How are the flaps actuated on the F22 .What type of flap lever was used and location .Thinking overhead solid push rods with bellcranks to stock type aileron actuator so far.

[Robert Lees]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

The flaps on the F22 are cable-operated from a lever inbetween the seats (like a PA28 lever).

[VictorBravo]

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The easiest method to do flaps would be to replicate the Auster system. Although at first glance it is "funky" by American standards, it has several advantages, and on second look you'll agree it is a great design. There is basically a torque tube running between the flaps, behind your head, and an upside down "Johnson Bar" handle above the pilot's left shoulder. This would greatly reduce the parts count, the fabrication time, the rigging time, etc. This system has a fabulous secondary benefit, because it will not allow you to get out of the airplane without retracting the flaps!

[paulnuss]

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Few serious aerobatic aircraft have flaps; I assume the engineering of the structure would be difficult, trying to keep the "G" capability both plus and minus. And I assume that the clip would be to make an aerobatic mount. As for restricted forward vision, one should fly a Pitts S2A for a while, and you'll never again complain about any Taylorcraft; you can never see where you're going straight ahead. Always slipping and weaving so you won't fly into a mountain or building or something. And especially on approach to landing. There, a "carrier approach" works best, with a constant curve from downwind through the base leg to short final, only leveling just before touchdown, with hopes that nothing will change since your last look-see! If a long straight-in is necessary, as at larger airports following the traffic stream, then the slip, maintained the whole way on final is the only way to see the airport, let alone the runway.

[Ragwing nut]

Re: Flaps on clipwing

Pitts are blind but try flying a UPF-7 Waco from the front seat. I use to fly a F-21 we rebuilt and it was worse than the BC-12D, but was in no way blind.

Mike