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  • Ethanol in a different light

    A side discussion on ethanol prompted this one.

    In Finland, I think it was, Scandinavia anyway, doctors doing a long-term survey found that drinking any kind of alcohol regularly reduced the chance of a heart attack right up to the point of being a total drunkard. Eight drinks a day was the research endpoint of the long-term survey. The rate of heart attack just kept curving down as the consumption went up.

    Not any Greenie, politically correct BS about red wine. Just alcohol (ethanol of course) of any brand or type. The survey data implied that stronger is better, and more is better. We are not considering all the negative side affects of drinking too much here, just what the basic data proved.

    Thus far medical professionals and researchers have mixed opinions on this and do not seem to know why this happens.

    Having done paint and coating tests requiring wetted surfaces professionally, and cleaning metal for hobby projects at home, not to mention high-speed tape recording heads on the Nike X project, (we had to have an alcohol license), a little bell rang in my semi-ancient brain.

    Alcohol, ethanol in particular, is very good for dissolving grease. That is, if you smear animal fat on a piece of metal, ethanol will dissolve it and clean it off really well. (Bare with me here, I really am leading up to something, Chuckle.)

    What is the stuff that clogs up your arteries and sends you off to the emergency room in the middle of the night? Animal fat. OK, so they call it cholesterol. Animal fat by any other name is--

    The alcohol that goes into your blood stream when you drink is not hidden or modified in any way, it is just alcohol flowing through your circulatory system, and any fatty substance sticking on the vessel walls is going to be directly exposed to it. (I will not disturb you with what a medical friend of mine said about the emergency room that confirms this.)

    I leave it there for your consideration.

    Darryl
    Last edited by flyguy; 01-09-2011, 09:47.

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    Re: Ethanol in a different light

    I am convinced! Thanks!

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    • #3
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      Alcohol thins the blood increasing blood flow thus helping to reduce build up and blocked vessels. However,one asprin per day does the same thing,and just one asprin equals the same as roughly 6 cans of beer without all the carbs,sodium,etc, etc that are in the beer.....however the asprin ain't as much fun,lol. I try to take an asprin every day and drink at least one 6-12 pack of beer per week. It may not help a damn thing but maybe,just maybe it might help counter act all the bacon grease,lard,smoking,& other shitty stuff I put into my belly....maybe it doesn't help,but maybe it will. I guess I just need to start drinking more & eating less just to be on the safe side.
      Last edited by crispy critter; 01-09-2011, 14:25.
      Kevin Mays
      West Liberty,Ky

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        I am familiar with the aspirin regime as I have atrial fibrillation from running every other day for 25 years and I take it as a defence against a stroke as that is what usually happens to folks with that problem.

        What I was trying to say above is that I wonder if the alcohol may actually dissolve the fat molecules adhering to the blood vessel walls, since it is such a good solvent.

        The medical guys know about these surveys, and it should be easy to check out using test animals, but no one seems to be doing it. I therefore suspect that they would much rather do $100,000 operations on people after it is basically too late.

        Frankly I firmly believe that the medical profession often avoids pushing simple methods of people improving their health because they have a large vested interest in the success of the pharmaceutical business and too-late corrective procedures.

        DC
        Last edited by flyguy; 01-09-2011, 17:06.

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        • #5
          Re: Ethanol in a different light

          I showed your comment to my doctor. He said that he had to keep me alive but not too well. He couldn't afford to loose another patient, because he hadn't paid off his student loan yet.

          RonC
          Ron C
          N96995

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            Re: Ethanol in a different light

            Originally posted by Ron Coleman View Post
            I showed your comment to my doctor. He said that he had to keep me alive but not too well. He couldn't afford to loose another patient, because he hadn't paid off his student loan yet.

            RonC
            Way too much truth here! LOL Having just went through a bunch of invasive testing that lead to no where with my wife, this study backs me up. I am a 2 or 3 beer a day guy, always have been. Only go to the doctor to get my physical, the wife, who does not drink is on more then a half a dozen pills a day. Most of the people that I have known that drank to moderation out lived those who didn't, or at least they were happier!
            Larry
            "I'm from the FAA and we're not happy, until your not happy."

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            • #7
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              I'm not gonna say to much on this except that I smoked too much and drank 6 fingers of Canadian club every night for the last 20 or so years.
              On Monday night I got out of open heart surgery where the Dr cleaned out blood clots that left him saying HOLLY SHIT HE'S STILL ALIVE, surgery took 11 1/2 hours and for 29 minutes i was brain dead while he did the bypass to clean out the heart and fix the hole he found, I'm home now with a really nice line of staples running up my chest, my arms look like a drug addicts worst nightmare (all black and blue from Iv's and 5 pints they took out of me.
              so smoking and drinking are on a back burner for a bit for me.

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              • #8
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                JEEZ Mike! You got to take better care of yourself! Welcome back to the land of the living. Did they say how long before you can take a flight? We need to get someone over to take you up as high as we can to make sure HE hears you thank him for giving you another chance.
                Hank

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                • #9
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                  Stopped smokin and drinkin on 1/4/11. While I didn't see the light I feel that I was getting close enough to the sun that the wax was startin to melt, and it just keeps gettin better , got laid off last thursday go figure, win some lose some, (not an original quote).

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ethanol in a different light

                    The smoking will get you. I believe that it has been proven that Alcohol inmoderation does indeed have some positive effect........

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                    • #11
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                      In light of a program on stress that I watched last night I think I should revise my above suggestion of why alcohol statistically reduces risk of heart disease.

                      The program was on effects of stress on Baboons and Macaque monkeys. Turns out the big guys in the groups of animals beat the smaller guys and females up pretty bad, on an almost continuous schedule.

                      The guys being beat up on (stressed) all the time have all kinds of negative chemical reactions in their body, such as reduced immune system function. AND they grow plaque in their arteries.

                      Not so with the guys at the top of the pecking order, including the lack of plaque build up.

                      Having a drink reduces stress. Especially significant since daytime stress is carried over all night in dreams (results of other research.)

                      Seems more logical than the alcohol dissolving anything, certainly on a long-term basis.

                      DC
                      Last edited by flyguy; 01-20-2011, 12:06.

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                        The Dr said that for some reason the drinkin was screwing up my blood more than anything else and would affect my condition more than smokin, they still screwing around trying to get my blood right

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                          Re: Ethanol in a different light

                          My Dad has been on Blood thiners for 24 years (he is 88 with an artificial valve all during this time) He has to stay away from a steady diet with the drinking because it screws up the way to predict accurate measurment (stability) of the thining substance they use (warfrin aka rat poisen!! ) I suspect no matter whatsubstance they are using in your blood (thinning) that is why they are telling you to stay away from the drinking. Any way THEY are the docs . Best to you in your recovery

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