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    I have thought about this some but probably not enough. Comments appreciated. Ideas really appreciated.

    The government doesn't appear to be able to do anything productive in the way of increasing the employment in this country (except maybe waiting 3 or 4 years for it to take care of itself (if ever.) No one is doing anything about the trade deficit either. If you look at it closely you will see that there is additionally a connection between the Federal deficit and the trade imbalance.

    How about this: NATIONAL BOYCOTT OF CHINESE MANUFACTURED GOODS. Not government backed, or controlled. By the people of this country, voluntarily.

    It Would kill several birds with one stone. One drawback, people working for retailers that deal in mainly in Chinese products are going to suffer. You know who I am talking about.

    I don't mean massive sacrifice, just look at the package and if it says Made in China, don't buy it for the duration of the boycott. If your dead car needs a part and you can't get one made in Mexico, or Taiwan or US, go ahead and buy the Chinese one. But with any option, don't.

    If we start making things in the U.S.A. again you will have to pay more for it, but your neighbor and your kids will be able to have a job.

    Second use (probably of several), do it and then tell China to do something drastic about North Korea. Like fix it and maybe we will start buying SOME of your stuff again.

    If we did this it would stop the Chinese from buying up the world's resources with the money that WE give them. Averaging lately about $250 Billion a year. That is just a little less than $1000 each per man, woman, children in the US per year.

    Final question, does the American public have what it takes to do this and how does one organize it?

    It is one MAJOR POWER that we, the people, have control over. Tactical logic in any "fight" is to hit the biggest guy first.

    Headline: "If you buy Chinese and your neighbor it out of work, it's YOUR fault."

    Darryl
    Last edited by flyguy; 11-28-2010, 12:01.

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    The goverment is doing what it knows how to do to create jobs. Go to war and get our men killed, then the men that are not working will be able to take the dead GI's job. We are trying to go to war with Korea now. You know things will get better. Look at the past. Every time the economy was bad, we went to war with someone. Marv
    Marvin Post TF 519

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    • #3
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      Marv, my question would be, are you willing to give up buying Chinese manufactured goods if it will solve some serious problems here in the US?

      I'm can and I'm willing, don't even think it is much of a challenge.
      DC

      We really do have a lot of power if we will just use it. Bucks speak in volumes.

      Bring the work and the money home!
      DC

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      • #4
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        Hi Darryl,
        I share your frustration with what is going on. But in my opinion you may be directing your ire in the wrong direction. If you haven't already done so, go over to youtube and watch the series "The Money Masters" ( the one posted by 'meroving911') it will explain the background for a lot of what you are seeing. ie: the inability of the politicians on either side to have any kind control over the situation. The devaluation of the dollar (and other fiat money) over time has contributed to the problems we are seeing here and all over the world today. h
        Last edited by Howard Wilson; 11-27-2010, 16:27. Reason: specicivity
        20442
        1939 BL/C

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        • #5
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          Darryl i have always tried not to buy Chinese , and all other imports when i can, and i started that back in the 70's. It is hard to find any American clothes, TV's etc. You buy good old American brands like GE, Magnavaux,etc and if you do not read on the product before you buy, it will be Chinese. I was having trouble with GE light bulbs lasting only a short time. After the 3rd bulb in 2 months, i finaly got smart enough to read on the bulb. Under the GE was made in China. If you buy anything in Walmart you can just about bet it is made in another country. If you own an antique car made in the good old U.S.A. you have to ask before you buy a new part or it will probably be made out of th U.S.A. Marv
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          • #6
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            Commendable Marv, I cannot say the same thing for myself. As an individual I saw no point before, except to make one's life complicated and expensive.
            Now, on the other hand, if everyone did it--

            Howard, actually I have no ire to vent against the Chinese. With exception of things like slave shops (which are much more common elsewhere) the Chinese are just doing business. It is we here who are being stupid. We want our "stuff," and we want it cheap never mind we are giving our country and our way of life away. Short-sighted destruction of self is all too common of a human characteristic and we have become masters of doing it financially.

            As far as the link on YouTube I'm afraid that is rather old hat. And I am hesitant to say, a bit childish and naive on the part of the film makers. Turning the Reserve "over to the people" would accomplish nothing, just as it hasn't in the past. You cannot control a central bank with 300 million people so it would revert to the peoples representatives and you know who controls them. The founding fathers endorsed it because they assumed that the representatives would continue to represent the people (if they ever did.) That didn't last very long, did it.

            What I propose is that we control and use the only power that we have that works with the present system as it is: take away any group's income source and you have them by their private parts. You do the Chinese FIRST because they are the biggest game in town. It is the fastest way to actually accomplish something big and I submit the only thing that the public/people has any control over as things are now.

            Short of breaking out your hunting rifles and M1A's, which is a really bad idea and not going to happen (well, at least not until things get a lot worse), I submit that no one can tell me any action the public can take that would even come close to changing the status quo as significantly as what I suggest.

            DC
            Last edited by flyguy; 11-28-2010, 12:07.

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            • #7
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              Hi Darryl,
              Well I guess you saw a different version than I did. Good luck with the project. Back to airplanes for me.
              20442
              1939 BL/C

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              • #8
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                Howard, I thank you for the link. I only watched part one, but on your recommendation I shall view the entire series when time permits. Perhaps there will be some variation from the theme of the first part that will change my mind. I always try to be open-minded for any reasonable idea that works.

                Meantime I am going to push my idea in some other venues and media.

                Anyone who sees a for sure failure in my logic please drop it on me, it could save me/us a lot of fruitless effort.

                DC

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                • #9
                  Re: Taking Control

                  Darryl,

                  Fair enough. I don't hold this out as the only correct answer, but it may be part of the framework from which to hang some answers to your original posits. h
                  20442
                  1939 BL/C

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                  • #10
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                    Don't know anything about this guy yet, but he does see things my way.



                    DC

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                    • #11
                      Re: Taking Control

                      Originally posted by Marv View Post
                      The goverment is doing what it knows how to do to create jobs. Go to war and get our men killed, then the men that are not working will be able to take the dead GI's job. We are trying to go to war with Korea now. You know things will get better. Look at the past. Every time the economy was bad, we went to war with someone. Marv
                      WE are not going to war. WE are fighting small conflicts. My son made an interesting observation last week. If a major war were to break out, say China decides to attack, the US would not have the industrial base to build a credible fighting machine. When WW II broke out, the US used it's industrial base to build a formidable machine, ships, planes, tanks etc.. Today that industrial base is in China, South America and spread through out the rest of the world. Very little manufacturing is done in the contiguous United States. Sure we have a powerful arsenal, but could we sustain a lengthy global engagement ala WW II. I think not. Therefore, we have to engage these small conflicts before they get out of hand.
                      Tom Peters
                      1943 L2-B N616TP
                      Retired Postal Worker/Vietnam Vet

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                      • #12
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                        Tom you can call it conflicts if you want, but it is all the same as war when you get Americans killed just to help the economy. I believe if we mess with North Korea, they will bring out the bad stuff. Marv
                        Marvin Post TF 519

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                        • #13
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                          When I was in Phu Bai, it was called a police action. I don't mean to down play the loss of life and yes I understand the econimic impact of these actions. As a matter of fact, I did an Economics paper on the stimulus of military action on the national economy when I was getting my degree. My point is that if we were to get into a full blown conflict with a major power, we could not sustain it for more than a few months because our government and the Industrial power brokers have sold our security for low cost goods.
                          Tom Peters
                          1943 L2-B N616TP
                          Retired Postal Worker/Vietnam Vet

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                          • #14
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                            Sam Walton passed away some years ago. Walmart roars on! His children, (I think there are 5, are worth well over a BILLION dollars apiece.) You have made them WEALTHY! There are no longer any hardware stores on main street. Few clothing shops. Main street is pretty much shut down. (Most of us wear Levis as its all most can now afford) Walmart buys most everything from CHINA, pays its workers as little as possible and their health care program is poor. Meanwhile, the bankers on Wall Street, who caused subprime mortgages, have walked off with additional BILLIONS. NO ONE has gone to jail. All caused by DEREGULATION of basic banking rules over the past 30 years, repeat, 30 years.I have not heard ANY congressman say they would take a pay cut, nor have I heard any of them say they would agree to TERM LIMITS. So...your gonna get more Iraqs, more young Americans killed, more crazy spending, and more gridlock, INCLUDING BIG taxbreaks for the wealthy, which along with two wars costing 3 trillion has run us into a 3rd world type economy. Try this book....its called "All The Devils are Here" (bestseller.) Don't miss it! The wars are still going on incidentally, costing us MILLIONS per DAY! JC

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                              Ford motor company made a B-24 liberator Bomber come off the line EVERY 20 minutes in 1943. General Motors built MANY aircraft,tanks, etc. Beth Steel made the majority of its money building SHIPS, not making steel. The bailout of GM and the banks averted another 1929. Now the banks need re regulating and GM needs to build what people want. American car companys have watched stupidly while the Japs jerked a knot in their tail. Ross Perot..." We want FAIR TRADE, NOT FREE TRADE." (Notice that NO ONE mentions Ross Perot any more but they LOVE to sob about Ronnie Reagan who was one of the all time biggest spenders in the history of the U.S. and started massive deregulation of all Gov. Departments and defunded them which is why they don't work. (The 1929 deppression ended when WW2 began due to.......Government spending!) Incidentally, "Trickle Down economics" Reagans favorite path to glory, didn't work. It was tried for the last 25 years and it was a lemon. JC

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