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    I normally refrain from posting online about topics of this ilk, but felt compelled to comment.

    The slide is only a few air miles northwest of my current temporary location. Been a week now with the TFR up. I will say Mother Nature can be awesome in her power. Tragedy barely covers the situation.

    I spent two days working on-site this week. A colleague and I placed a considerable number of geo-motion sensors along the top and middle tier of the slide and set up a monitoring and alarm system, for what it would be worth (limited) to responders if another catastrophic event happened during recovery efforts.

    For those of a religious bent, prayer is in order. I doubt all victims will be recovered. Sadly enough, and as an unfortunate reflection on the mindset of many in this region, lawyers have already begun their hover in anticipation of legal action. Apparently anyone involved in dropping a tree within ten miles over the last fifty years (not much of an exaggeration) is climbing to the top of the hit list. Have also heard the usual "global warming" comments more than once...it made me a bit ill.

    The area has had an even greater than normal level of precipitation over the last couple of months...in fact it has been raining consistently since the slide making the recovery zone a slurry. Major landform changes like this have been the historic and prehistoric norm for the Pacific Northwest. Simply put, much of the strata is essentially glacial til deposited during the last ice age. Get enough rain and it "liquifies..." Add slope and it moves given enough additional factors.

    I was kinda busy for pictures, and didn't feel it appropriate to be honest, so I can't offer any images to folks.

    Please keep the affected families and responders in your thoughts and prayers as you see fit.

    Thanks and blue skies
    Stumpy
    N43319
    BC12D

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    Thanks for the post stumpy, our thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved....and to all the folks having to dig thru the mess, special thanks to them.

    Personally I feel all lawyers should be banned from entire event. Ya simply can't sue mother nature and shouldn't attempt blaming anyone else for her doings. Sorry, just my opinion.
    Kevin Mays
    West Liberty,Ky

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      Very well said Stumpy!! I used to live not far from there and drove past that many many times while delivering fuel. Like you said, when enough moisture hits, it turns to liquid and gravity takes over...pretty simple. My heart goes out to the family and friends there.
      John
      I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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        I'm just an ignorant bystander, but I do have to question the further construction of a town on a known landslide area.



        (We have the same thing here in the UK...building towns on known flood plains)

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          Re: Oso, Washington Landslide

          Originally posted by Robert Lees View Post
          I'm just an ignorant bystander, but I do have to question the further construction of a town on a known landslide area.



          (We have the same thing here in the UK...building towns on known flood plains)
          Yes, we are certainly using our superior intellect. Look at all the development around volcanoes, houses/cities along the coastlines, they all will eventually get wiped out, but no worries, the government/taxpayers will pay to rebuild it so it can all happen again.
          Randy Buell
          1940 BL-65 N27504
          1946 C140 N89129

          “No matter how worthy the cause, it is robbery, theft, and injustice to confiscate the property of one person and give it to another to whom it does not belong.” WW

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            Well, two months ago there was another substantial slide on the Skykomish River (near the town of Index) about 20 air miles SSE of the one in Oso...essentially for the same reasons. No loss of life, but took out a couple of structures and eliminated all road access to a considerable number of summer cottages and homes in an isolated rural hamlet. Local news coverage only...didn't have the photo-op impact for politicos.

            That being said much of this region is built on flood, slide, tsunami or volcano zones. Taken to the "proper" degree most of the Pacific NW population should be removed to Kansas...of course they can't go there because of tornado danger. The only people I know of that are claiming "no prior knowledge" in relation to the known slide danger near Oso are lawyers or individuals with a perceived financial stake who are now being advised by lawyers. The real problem is personal responsibility...if you feel the location is worth the risk, then assume it...don't assume a "nanny state" is going to magically prevent bad things just because you want it to. I know, that might seem a bit harsh, but life used to be that way.

            The entire Seattle and Tacoma metropolitan area is constructed in the direct path of a potential lahar, or pyroclastic mudflow, from an eruption of Mt. Rainier. Rainier is the most significant peak in the Cascade Range. Located north of Mt. St. Helens, it is an active volcano. The entire area is built on the results of an earlier lahar. From a geological standpoint, the area is long overdue for a major event. Now, I am not talking about a big bang volcanic eruption with colorful lava flows, etc. That could happen, but massive destruction wouldn't require it. A relatively modest event could rapidly and catastrophically envelope the entire urban region in an overwhelming lahar, and it WILL happen eventually with minimal warning.
            This is common knowledge among most thinking people, yet they continue to live there. Perhaps they think the federal government will magically prevent it? Wouldn't surprise me. Should the entire population be forced to move? Difficult. Should all development be immediately halted? Also difficult. I can think of several major California urban regions that regularly are hit by wildfires and earthquakes, yet their populations continue to grow as well.

            Ultimately, if a person desires to reside in a location, they need to weigh the potential risks and then decide if they are worth taking, and then assume the risk, not expect others to do so for them. Regardless of political promises, federal and local governments pale in comparison to Mother Nature. Regardless of claims, they cannot prevent global climate shifts, nor more localized geological events. Sorry folks, but life's tough...and it's tougher if you're stupid.

            As I expected, finger pointing and cries of blame are increasing daily regarding the Oso slide. But the simple facts remain...We had lots of rain, the area consists of glacial til, slope, and a riverine environment, and s#$%t happens. It was common knowledge that the area was prone to slides, even in recent years. Folks rolled the dice, felt it was worth the risk (I don't blame them...beautiful spot...given the opportunity I might have as well), and some came up with "snake eyes" this time. That's just how it works sometimes, tragic though it may be. Expect a regulation to prevent such things, and sooner or later a regulation will prevent you from doing something you want to do. I don't know about others, but I've had my fill of that sort of thing, and frankly it won't prevent this sort of thing from happening unless Mother Nature starts operating in fear of agency fines and legal retaliation. 'Nuff said..
            Stumpy
            N43319
            BC12D

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              Re: Oso, Washington Landslide

              Very well put Stumpy, very well put.
              Kevin Mays
              West Liberty,Ky

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                Re: Oso, Washington Landslide

                Originally posted by Robert Lees View Post
                I'm just an ignorant bystander, but I do have to question the further construction of a town on a known landslide area.



                (We have the same thing here in the UK...building towns on known flood plains)
                I agree, especially after listening to the geologist from that state who explained that the area was warned about this sometime ago but building permits were still being issued. Probably early to judge but it will all come out over time. It always does. ( he also mentioned a lot of logging having been done just above the slide verses " a few trees". Which he allowed could have contributed. )

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                  Re: Oso, Washington Landslide

                  I agree with Kevin.... VERY well put Stumpy!!!
                  John
                  I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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