Dual Brakes

[cvavon]

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Hank Grove disk brakes that work every time you use them with out perpetual maintenance !

[Jim Herpst]

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I had groves on my Baby Ace with the Scott /Cub Masters ...every thing is fine untill you get some pad wear then its time to add fluid to compensate.. I had flown over 130 hours before that occured however !

[cvavon]

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Jim like I said PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE on Shinn the lining is 3 MM thick and when you rivet on linings you counter sink the rivets 1MM so all you get is 1 MM of lining wear till you get to the rivets or there wore out linings are about $50.00 and a pain to install my groves have about 30 hr on them and have been trouble free I have not had to do any thing at all to them and they WILL STOP THE PLANE SHORT EVERY TIME.

[barnstmr]

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Chuck,
Do you have brake pedals on both L and R side?

[cvavon]

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Terry not at present but plan on adding them soon will be easy to do with scott as they are a closed system put t in line and run line to second masters fill with fluid and off you go. Only reason i have not done this as i have not been able to buy two masters at a reasonable price

[Jim Herpst]

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Jim like I said PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE on Shinn the lining is 3 MM thick and when you rivet on linings you counter sink the rivets 1MM so all you get is 1 MM of lining wear till you get to the rivets or there wore out linings are about $50.00 and a pain to install my groves have about 30 hr on them and have been trouble free I have not had to do any thing at all to them and they WILL STOP THE PLANE SHORT EVERY TIME.

Well Like I said after 100 hours on the Baby ace with the Scott masters and the grove disks I needed to add fluid to compensate for brake wear . Fact is a fact. If one were to use a master brake cylinder that had a actual reserve tank I could see where it would be VERY little maintenance. My Shinns were trouble free. Now you state (your brakes) " THEY WILL STOP THE PLANE SHORT EVERY TIME" Thats good I would not know what my shinns would do to "Stop the Plane"...if its landing you are talking about and I have to assume it is because you talk about "stopping short every time" Never when landing would I need to use the brakes to stop the plane.. just for turns when taxing (sometimes and very rarely) usually when parking and turning the plane sharp. A typical Taylorcraft is light . I am sorry but do not see the need for Juice brakes if one wants to press that with me. Ford vs Chevy. Would not get up set over the discussion though......

[cvavon]

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Jim I agree the on 4000 ft paved run way the shinn will sort of work but when doing off air port landings on a rough strip with bush wheels oh 900 ft useable last week end and loaded heavy the shinn would be very much lacking and create a unsafe situation different missions different equipment the end result is fly safe for your mission and have the right equipment to do the job you ask

[Hank Jarrett]

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Personally I believe in energy management. The cable brakes are fine with me because I rarely use them, and no, they won't hold over 65hp on a run up (maybe yours will, but mine never could have). If I can do a mag check and not creep forward, they are doing good. I NEVER have used brakes on a roll out and I don't trust them to prop the plane.
Hank

All that said, I kind of like the cable brakes. You HAVE TO look at them once in a while, and that is a good thing.

[Guest]

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funny, the brakes were options on these planes

[M Towsley]

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Ahhh, the days of all grass airports and no pavement in sight...

[jim cooper]

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Ahhh, the days of all grass airports and no pavement in sight...

I always look good on grass but pavement is also good UNLESS there is a substantial cross wind. Without brakes, in a decent cross wind I would have groundlooped more than once if I hadn't been able to "stab" the brakes at times, "energy management" or not! Students during WW2 in the Stearman usually ALWAYS landed into the wind as the field was a big circle with a sock in the middle. I can't imagine instructing in ANY taildragger without brakes on both seats.If you run out of rudder, without brakes, your in deep s---! JC

[jim cooper]

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I should add here(again)that the Taylorcraft was a depression aircraft, designed during the 30's when money was tight. The cheaper the better. When Taylor left Piper he probably considered every money saving idea he could think of. I never saw a J3 Cub with single brakes or an Aeronca though there may have been some. I think the main primary trainer in WW2 WAS the Cub, not the T-Craft. The Stearman ALWAYS had brakes at both seats and while incidents will always occur, I sure wouldn't give lessons in one without dual brakes! Hydraulics were NEW in 1940 and not nearly as refined as they were by 1945. They are wonderful to have and if you've flown a super cub or a 150-180 Citabria,etc. you know what I mean. JC

[M Towsley]

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The Cub was not the primary trainer in the military world, maybe civilian or CPTP. Taylorcraft L-2's had brakes front and rear and taught many in CPTP, including my father, as well as many liaison pilots here in the States.