Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

[skyboltone]

I don't know where I'm going to find the money right now, but this one is just about what I want. It's got a C85-8 with 0-200 gutz. Basic 5 and factory style interior. In Colorado near Pueblo, eastern slope. In hangar since ground up restoration in '05/'06. Bad paint job man. He admits it. Self sprayed in the heat. No electrics. Does the C-85-8 have a pad for an alternator? I don't need no electric start but I would like a transponder. Fat tyres. Beg, borrow, steal. Wanna buy a boat? I've ordered the paperwork from OK city.

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

You don't need an alternator pad if you use a wind generator. Lots of us fly with them. I had one on each of my T's but don't keep them on that much since the battery can be charged and lasts longer than the fuel. I guess if I was going a long way I would just clamp it back on. With no ENGINE DRIVEN electrical system you aren't required to have a transponder (you "can" but you aren't required to). Nice to be able to go up with no electronics. I even shut off the hand held when I was away from the airport. Besides, at my old field when I used to call where I was in the pattern the idiot helicopter guys cut me off anyway. The helicopter guys and skydivers at SFQ are much better.
Hank

Bad paint isn't a deal breaker. Looks beautiful in the photo and you will fly her so much very few people will ever see her close up. Might need the BIG NUMBERS on the wings though! I like the "classic look".

[Pearson]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

As long as it is not peeling off, bad paint can be redone to look acceptable or even quite good, depending on what is wrong with it. If it is polyurethane, water sand it with some 600 grit wet or dry paper and buff it out with a machine buffer. If it is so bad that it won't buff out, just sand it down and spot paint to a line or longeron. If the paint is something like polytone, it is very easy to paint over and blend out into the old paint. Besides, no one will notice bad paint as you fly over.

[skyboltone]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

The big numbers on the bottom of the wings did cross my mind. Either that or "Bull Durham" or "Burma Shave". It does have that "classic" look for sure. Can a guy put 8.50s on there....never mind, you can't even put on 6 ply tires without raising eyebrows. He said he put a new tailwheel and spring on it but he couldn't remember which one. I took an instant like to the guy though. I've got tons of airmiles. May have to fly out to Denver and rent a car.

Will anybody loan less than $25K on an airplane? I hate carrying a note (don't have any now) but I'm getting antsy. Put it on a card......wake up the missus' blood pressure.

[M Towsley]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

No need for a transponder and I fly out of Class C airspace. If you want details just send me an e-mail or private message. Good luck!

[Hank Jarrett]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

I went the simple way. I took my car title to the credit union and just got the loan on it. Banks don't know squat about airplanes and it will be a ton of hassles to get a loan with the plane as collateral. Paid of the loan in less than a year.
Hank

[skyboltone]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

As long as it is not peeling off, bad paint can be redone to look acceptable or even quite good, depending on what is wrong with it. If it is polyurethane, water sand it with some 600 grit wet or dry paper and buff it out with a machine buffer. If it is so bad that it won't buff out, just sand it down and spot paint to a line or longeron. If the paint is something like polytone, it is very easy to paint over and blend out into the old paint. Besides, no one will notice bad paint as you fly over.

I wonder if we've met Richard? I used to airboss the Kelso airshow and do MC duties at EAA young eagles days there back in the 90's? I don't know if I ever made it to an EAA shindig down your way, but I never missed an Evergreen Airport gathering when that was still going. Too bad that's gone eh? Dang, I sure miss having an airplane. Being a yachtsman sucks. Anyway, the owner of NC95600 couldn't remember what covering system he used. He's 71 and thinks he's too old to fly, but maybe its just CRS disease. I would certainly make sure I knew whatever system he used and either buff it out or repaint. I'm very hopeful about this. I've got money in the hidy hole but I told my beloved that I wouldn't get back in the air until I sold the boat. That's a saga and a half. I won't bore you all with the details, but if you ever have the urge to buy a big boat, just take Mr Happy out, lay him out on the table and hit him with a ball peen hammer. You'll forget about boats and be much better off.

[Pearson]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

I wonder if we've met Richard?

I would say there is a very good chance we have met. I used to do a lot of jigsaw puzzles on the table at Evergreen, had a hangar there too. I was at all the annual fly-ins there from about 1994 until they shut the doors. That was a real shame when they closed that one. Now I am hangared at Kelso and active in EAA 1111 there. Look me up on FB and see if any of my pictures or middle name look familiar. I have never owned a boat, got the airplane bug at about age 3 and haven't looked at anything else but horses. Now there is a money pit!

[N96337]

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I bet we saw eachother too.... I used to travel with a Fairchild 71 to Wally's about the same time Richard was there.... probably looked right at eachother!
John

[swoeric]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

yep throw the note on the car, they may do a signature loan if you know the banker and have the credit.....that cheap throw it on a new credit card for a year no interest or home equity credit line through credit union very cheap interest....put on the 8.50s youll love them but get usedto seeing nothing in front on the ground....forget the big numbers when you get the 8.50s youll enjoy not landing at the airport.....grab a lithium batter for the transponder less that 2 lbs

[Steve Green]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

I just went to my credit union for the cash.

They had never done airplanes before, but she researched it carefully and found that they qualify under recreational vehicles. Interest was deductable because of it too, like motor homes. They have done two aircraft loan notes for me now. No problem.

[Pearson]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

Steve,

Congratulations on finding financing for the plane you are interested in! As one who has been through the experience of travelling a long distance to look at an airplane, I would like to caution you to ask a LOT of questions before you spend money on an airline ticket to go buy it. I believe you mentioned that the old guy couldn't remember what covering system he used. I would ask if it was signed off in the logbook with a 337 or not. I would ask a lot of other questions too. If you can get someone who lives nearby to view it before you travel, it might save you a lot of money, time, and hassle. I don't mean to poo poo a good deal, but I have developed a personal mantra over the years. It is better to miss out on ten good deals than to get stung by one bad one.

[Larry Lyons]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

Don't mean to hi-jack the thread but last I knew for second home loans to be deductible they required sleeping quarters and a bath room. Damn big airplane to qualify for that!

Larry

PS: I may be out of touch, but my boat loans have all needed that requirement unless you are getting a second mortgage on your existing home. However if you take all my knowledge on taxes, turn it in to sand there won't be enough to irritate your eye!

[skyboltone]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

I've been in touch with Forrest. I'll take this slow. If somebody beats me to it, I'll just move on. I'd rather get my boat sold and pay cash anyway, it's just that this one has a lot going for it on paper. Only an inspection will tell the tale. I mentioned to Forrest that I was worried about the logs.

Steve,

Congratulations on finding financing for the plane you are interested in! As one who has been through the experience of travelling a long distance to look at an airplane, I would like to caution you to ask a LOT of questions before you spend money on an airline ticket to go buy it. I believe you mentioned that the old guy couldn't remember what covering system he used. I would ask if it was signed off in the logbook with a 337 or not. I would ask a lot of other questions too. If you can get someone who lives nearby to view it before you travel, it might save you a lot of money, time, and hassle. I don't mean to poo poo a good deal, but I have developed a personal mantra over the years. It is better to miss out on ten good deals than to get stung by one bad one.

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Is this the one? '46 12D in N3N colors

Yes we are in contact , keep info coming. I would be ready to do a pre-buy in Jan or later ; up to you!