Blank Drawings for Paint Scheme Layout

[Hank Jarrett]

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These are pictures of the little Comet model I did to figure out my color scheme for the 45. I had an opportunity to talk to one of the guys who actually painted the Taylorcarfts right after the war and asked him why the color separation lines were different on different pictures. He told me that they started the masking tape at the door hinge line and pulled it to the rudder hinge tube, there they wrapped it around the tube and back forward to the door again. He said they didn't worry about where on the hinge line the tape ended up. Some of them were about half way up and some ended up right at the bottom. The rudders were painted to match the line on the fuselage and if the separation was high, they would either curve it down or run it straight back, however the painter felt at the time.
Interesting little tid-bit on standardization. They didn't really care and I have pictures of all different ways to do it. I personally like it to half way between the stab and tail wheel spring with the darker color curved down on the rudder.
Hank

[crispy critter]

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Hank...you forgot to attach the pics of your comet

[woodmw]

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I am also having the same problem viewing pictures & albums.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Sorry, had to take care of some other business (computer web access failed again). This is the model.
Hank

[Hank Jarrett]

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For those interested that is a factory experimental sky-light that was tested in 1945 and never went into the regular production birds. It has very nearly the same visibility as the big square ones and a lot less top of the head heat buildup.

I was told they never used it in production because the wood frame was a PAIN to build and put in. I still have the broken up original wood pieces to make a new one and "someday" will make up drawings. Since it was a factory skylight it might be a little easier to get past the FAA as a retrofit.

The 45 was on her back from a wind storm when I bought her. It was one of the two factory prototype post war "Deluxe" birds and was flown by the factory until the summer of 46. The fuselage is actually a pre-war one and when I blasted the tubes you could still see where the "flipper" trim tab mount had been cut off. It even had the mounts for two sets of brakes (which I plan to put back in) and welded tube doors that are light as a feather! They would be GREAT for Patrol doors with the transparent bottoms, but I want her to look like she did when she left the factory. It also has a prototype set of sheet metal ribs that ARE NOT the same as the production ribs (you need to ask Forrest about the fiasco we had over those!) That is one of the reasons I have the 41. The 45 has turned into a life time project and I wanted to FLY. Even the cowl and engine mount are different from the production planes. The lower cowl was wheeled into a rounded bowl shape that was replaced by the flat panel cowl of the production post war planes. Really an "Odd Bird".

Hank

[crispy critter]

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Hank, I would love to see pics of both your birds. I also know all about those skylights,they really are nice. They are probably easier to add to an airplane that is still flying then it is to install a full skylight but they are a little bit of a pain. I used to have a 41' deluxe that had these skylights in it. The healiner is a problem around them,I had to remove the skylights to replace the glass and I just painted the tubing above and left the headliner out from the rear carry thru tube forward....it looked pretty good when I was done with it but if I had it back now I would probably put a little more effort into putting it back right. This airplane didn't have the old rolled steel tube doors(I really like those by the way),it had the deluxe wood doors with a thin metal outer skin and flip out opening windows on both sides like a Cessna 120/140 etc. The windows are not as big as the rolled steel like yours but were still really nice and very unique. It also had the wire spoke control wheels and all the original chrome trim on the cowl & boot cowl. I really loved that bird and wish I would've kept it but at the time Crispy was more important and I seen it as a good profit to sell and put the money back into finishing Crispy. To this day I think that t-craft had the prettiest lines of any model that was ever made....and it was also one of the lightest and fastest 65hp tcraft I have ever owned or seen. One of these days after dad's 170 and Crispy are back up in the air again I would love to find an original 41' deluxe do it right.....then maybe a J2 Taylor Cub.

[Hank Jarrett]

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Kevin,
The 45 has been stored for years now and I work parts whenever the weather is bad. The control wheels are done and look so good I keep them on top of the TV. I enjoy looking at them when my wife thinks I'm looking at her program. Looking at my control wheels is a lot better than watching "Say yes to the Dress".
The 41 is in the hangar and is getting closer. Found all kinds of problems from the panel forward with the wiring and fuel systems so all of that has pretty much been rebuilt. Struts will be sent off for sealing within two weeks. She looks a LOT better in her new livery, but will look a WHOLE LOT better once the wings are back on.
Just went through my pictures of the 45 and what I have is a WHOLE lot of little detail shots. Basically it looks like a truck load of pipes that got hit by a train. I will start posting pictures as I get to work on it.
The 41 has the wings off and stored (just unloaded them in the hangar in the picture) plus the 4 piece windshield is done now.
Hank

[M Towsley]

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Just too cool, Hank. Please keep sharing, I love seeing these old airplanes come back to life.

[crispy critter]

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Hank,
Thanks for sharing...the 41' is looking good. Keep the pics coming as she comes together.

[Larry Lyons]

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I have about decided to go with the 4 piece windshield, just like the looks. Did the 41 Deluxe stillhave that or would ithave had the one piece?
Larry

PS: If it had the 4 piece Hank, someday when you have the patterns for it in your hands would you make me a copy? Thanks

[Hank Jarrett]

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Larry,
The 41 Deuxe did have the 4 piece flat panel and all of the templates are in my guest bedroom now. I am trying to put them together for Bob Coolbaugh, Mike Jones, Frank McQuaide, Warren Brown, Carl Carlson and now you.
If anyone else wants them (or if any of you guys no longer want them send me a message at aeroapplications at yahoo dot com (my COX email may not be active much longer, the service keeps failing and they are on their last warning before I change providers).
I have a mailing address for Bob, but he is the only one so far. Please send me your addresses and phone numbers if you still want a copy of the drawings (these will not actually be "drawings" because of the size, but tracings of my parts). DON'T cut expensive plastic directly from the templates! It probably WON'T fit your plane right. Each plane was a little different and you are going to need to "massage" the shapes a little. I will start a flat panel pre war windshield thread to walk everyone through the process.
Hank

[Larry Lyons]

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Thanks Hank. L

[N-43121]

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I just stumbled across a great web site with old photographs from the Alliance factory. Over 500 photos, I believe all are pre-war timeframe. A number of photos showing various paint schemes from back then. Lots of very interesting history too.

http://www.alliancememory.org/cdm4/about.php

Blue skies,

Rod

[Pearson]

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Wow, what a treasure trove! Thank you for sharing that. I really enjoyed seeing all of those. I noticed they had a lot of planes painted with dark colors. Makes me rethink the paint layout on my project plane.

[Forrest Barber]

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Remember old Forrest and two former employees did all that scanning , 648 at last count. The www.rodmanlibrary.com site is the repository for all the old photos I collected here in Alliance.
There arealso recorded stuff too from former employees use the search function. alliance memories , people, places etc... bye