Engine For Sale

[Pearson]

If anyone needs a new engine for their plane, I have one for sale. It is not assembled, but has been completely gone through and yellow tagged by Premier Aircraft Engines of Troutdale, Oregon. I work for a freight company, so I can have it shipped to somewhere near where you live. It is an A-65. I also have the parts to build it into an A-75. Basic price for the A-65 is $5000. If you want the A-75, it is $6000. These prices are very firm and do not include mags or carb. It does come with new rings and bearings. If you want it put together I can arrange that also.

THE ENGINE
Cylinders are .015" oversize and have all new seats and guides. The exhaust valves are brand new. The camshaft is new. The crank is tappered with standard size journals. The case and rear cover have been inspected for cracks and yellow tagged.

[alwaysoar]

engine for sale

Richard--I need an engine and am interested. Is the engine complete and has each and every part been inspected and tagged (as appropriate)? You do not mention pistons (.015 over requires new pistons), has accessory case been rebuilt and tagged, what about oil gears, are jugs yellow tagged, has case been line bored and tagged, what about push rods, etc. Please let me know about ALL the parts.

Thanks, Ed @BTV VT
TF 527

[alwaysoar]

engine

p.s. Are there logs and is there a data plate? What is the total time, does the crank mic to standard size (.010 under ok .020 not), do you have a hub with it?

Ed @BTV VT
TF 527

[Ron Greene]

engine for sale

Reading the posts I am curious why .020 under is not OK. I am not questioning the statement just looking for a little education as aircraft powerplants are new to me. My crank is currently .010 under. Are you saying if it mics out of limits for .010 under at the next rebuild it cannot be taken to .020 under?
If it can't be taken to .020 under is it unuseable at that point or can it be brought back to standard through a chrome process or some other way?
Thanks for taking the time to explain.
Ron Greene

[paulp]

20K under

Ron,

Superior in Tulsa, OK has an stc for taking the crank to 20 thousands under.

[alwaysoar]

engine for sale

If you go 20 under then you have to have the case modified adding to the expense. The cost for grinding to 20 under is about 435 + and the bearings are about 365+ bringing the total to about $800. That probably compares, but the case modification is in addition.

[NY86]

Out of curiosity, what is the case mod? I've done this to several C-series engines without any case issues, but never to an A-series..

You're right, it can get a little pricey, especially if you have a hardened crank, which then needs re-hardening. (C-90) But, it's less than a new crank...

[alwaysoar]

engine for sale

I've never done the 20 under but I understand from Aircraft Specialties who has the STC that a notch has to be cut in the case for some reason. They referred me to DivCo but I haven't called them. Since I need a crank, it only makes sense to get one that's no more than 10 under because I can get another cycle out of it. I have found yellow tagged cranks at a fair price.


Ed @BTV VT
TF 527

[Pearson]

Engine Case

You are right about the costs quickly escalating when doing these mods. When I took this engine to the shop to have everything completely inspected, they found a very small crack in the back of the case. Divco wanted over $800 to weld up the crack. It was cheaper to get a used case.

[paulp]

.20 under

Richard,
DIVCO will charge about $610. for the case. They will reset the studs to the correct length and line bore the case with the necessary machining and all of the other magic things that they do to bring your case to new standards. Yea, it's expensive but it's what keeps the big fan in front turning that keeps you cool. I know this because when it quits turning, I really start to sweat!

[Pearson]

Divco

I was quoted a price over $800. My case didn't need line boring or anything else. All I wanted was to have a crack welded up. They said all case repairs were the same price regardless of what all they needed. I didn't think it was a very good value, so I didn't do business with them. I have heard they have a good reputation. I just didn't want to invest that much money in a case when I could get another one cheaper.

I still have this engine for sale. Looks like Ed has lost interest. The price right now is $5000 only because I need the money for something. Later on the price WILL go back to the original $6000. If anyone is interested you need to speak up NOW!!! Deals like this don't last for long.

[alwaysoar]

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Ed hasn't lost interest, but he asked a number of questions, and only a few have been answered (e.g. line boring). One not answered was about the pistons, and there were others. I would email you directly, but it's not permitted from the site. You can email me with a more complete description.


Ed @BTV VT
TF 527

[Pearson]

Answers to Questions

Sorry Ed! I sent you a private message that answered all of your questions, but I guess something happened to it.

ALL of the internal parts have been inspected. This includes the pushrods, the .015" oversized pistons, connecting rods, cam followers, case, rear cover, oil gears, everything.

The old case had a crack in it. The new one did not come with a dataplate or logbook. I have a new dataplate and I was told it is common to start a new logbook when you have an engine that has been completely gone through like this. I have no history on the case that I have now except that it checked out like new. It did not need ANY machine work.

This engine is ready for assembly and comes with the rings and bearings. The only thing it needs is a gasket set. If you have any other questions, let me know. I am attaching a picture. I hope it comes through.

[Pearson]

Answers to Questions

Sorry Ed! I sent you a private message that answered all of your questions, but I guess something happened to it.

ALL of the internal parts have been inspected. This includes the pushrods, the .015" oversized pistons, connecting rods, cam followers, case, rear cover, oil gears, everything.

The old case had a crack in it. The new one did not come with a logbook. I was told it is common to start a new one when you have an engine that has been completely gone through like this. I have no history on the case that I have now except that it checked out like new. It did not need ANY machine work.

This engine is ready for assembly and comes with the rings and bearings. The only thing it needs is a gasket set. If you have any other questions, let me know. I am attaching a picture. I hope it comes through.

[NY86]

The dataplate and logs stay together with the engine, not the case or any other part. Whoever has the logs and dataplate has the engine regardless of what parts someone else may have in their possession. If you're selling an engine for a certificated aircraft, you need to include the manufacturer's dataplate (not a new one unless it came from the manufacturer) and the logs. If you start with a new dataplate and a new log book, then you have "manufactured" a "new" engine, which, of course, is not allowed. If you do not include the logs and dataplate then there is no way to determine that the serial number you intend to use is not in service somewhere else. Replacement of the dataplate by anyone other than the manufacturer is a very questionable practice regardless of the fact that it happens somewhat regularly.

It is perfectly all right to start a new log book after an major overhaul, but you still need the old ones too, otherwise you cannot verify the origin and total time in service of the engine. And, the person with the original logs and dataplate still has the engine and the other one is essentially a counterfit...

But you all knew that already...