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    Ah, where to start... by necessity this will a bit disjointed but everyone will leave happy. It started years earlier, but seemed to gain a focus when I started playing on-line poker for pennies. One doesn't control
    the cards one gets; but I do have control over how much money I lose. So after a time, I started asking "where' is my money leaking from?" (I didn't really end with a prepoposition) and it became clear that I just wasn't
    seeing things going on around me. I"d have three aces and focus on betting only to get beat by a better hand. "Where did that flush come from?", "Hey, why didn't I see that straight?" . The point being something can be
    happening right in front of me and I won't see it.

    So, back to my rib repair. Lots of valuable suggestions on how to repair the ripped web from the group, but the final judge is my IA, so I visited him at noon yesterday. He looked at the rib.
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    He turned over the rib. (first picture)
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    He pointed out the cavity thru which I could work and he described a very simple patch (template shown in second picture)
    which he would allow to be held in place with 2 1/2 rows of CherryMax rivets (since I have solid rivets and my gun is a day or two away from arriving, I think I'll stick with solid rivets). The dotted lines are where the rivets will go; I plan on substituting aluminium sheet for the 3x5 card stock.

    Second bit of excitement. I'm still not happy with my rosette weld and my splice by inner sleeve. Called Dillsburg to order some inner sleeve material, explained what I was going to practice and Mr. Vogelsong launches into
    one of his much appreciated lectures. Seriously. I get more from his lectures than the cost of the order! In this case he explained 11/16" 4130 tubing was not a good seller and would not stock it anymore. I asked what we'd do in that case and he began explaining rosette welds . I mentioned the problem I was having i.e. an 1/8" hole in the outer sleeve wasn't enough and would
    burn away well before the inner sleeve got molten. "So, make it 1/4" or even 3/8" in diameter - You're going to melt it all back together". Then I said "You know, that's exactly the same solution for the problem I'm having with my welding inner sleeves. I'll open the gap to 1/4" ( from 1/8) and see if I get the penetration I need."

    If that works, that will be the solution to my landing gear repair which has been languishing for a year.

    Amazing - I can read, I can practice until I'm blue in the face and a telephone call to a guy who likes to talk saves me 1/2 year of work!

    Of course, there is a hurricane and accompaning rains bearing down on us at the moment so I can't practice. I know, I'll finish off the sheetmetal on the ailerons (after removing the bow tube at the tip ; just realized I didn't linseed oil their insides)

    regards from a wet DC - MikeH.
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    Mike Horowitz
    Falls Church, Va
    BC-12D, N5188M
    TF - 14954

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    Re: Long story, loose ends, happy ending

    Mike,

    I reviewed the splicing section of AC43.13 and the only reference I saw of
    1/8" was for the gaps at the ends of the replacement tube. In the diagram it shows 1/4A for the rosette welds. I don't know what the A after 1/4 means, but I would guess they mean use a 1/4" hole. I don't see how anyone could ever weld through a 1/8" hole. Even a 1/4" hole is going to require some finesse and expertise. Just make sure you get a good wet puddle going in the inner tube before you work it out to the edges of the hole in the outer tube. Keep your flame moving in VERY tiny little circles inside the hole and it will help keep from burning though the inner tube. Add a little rod to fill in the void and step back to admire, piece of cake. If you keep burning through, use a lower flame. Don't be in a hurry to get your puddle going. I have seen a lot of guys expect a puddle to appear the moment the flame touches the metal. It takes time for the heat to absorb into the tube.

    Good luck, and keep us posted.

    Reminds me of what the musician said when asked how to get to the Met. "Practice, practice, practice", he said.
    Richard Pearson
    N43381
    Fort Worth, Texas

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    • #3
      Re: Long story, loose ends, happy ending

      A is the diameter of the principle tube. ie 1/4a of a 1 inch tube is 1/4 inch and 1/4a of a3/4 inch tube is 3/16th inch. Dick
      TF #10

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        Re: Long story, loose ends, happy ending

        Originally posted by Pearson View Post
        Mike,

        I reviewed the splicing section of AC43.13 and the only reference I saw of
        1/8" was for the gaps at the ends of the replacement tube. In the diagram it shows 1/4A for the rosette welds. I don't know what the A after 1/4 means, but I would guess they mean use a 1/4" hole. I don't see how anyone could ever weld through a 1/8" hole. Even a 1/4" hole is going to require some finesse and expertise. Just make sure you get a good wet puddle going in the inner tube before you work it out to the edges of the hole in the outer tube. Keep your flame moving in VERY tiny little circles inside the hole and it will help keep from burning though the inner tube. Add a little rod to fill in the void and step back to admire, piece of cake. If you keep burning through, use a lower flame. Don't be in a hurry to get your puddle going. I have seen a lot of guys expect a puddle to appear the moment the flame touches the metal. It takes time for the heat to absorb into the tube.

        Good luck, and keep us posted.
        Richard - I'm reading on and around figure 4-37 in the AC.
        - "1/4A" means 1/4 the diameter of the tube in question, a formula I glossed over, possibly to my great detrement.
        -You are correct in that it says 1/8" between the diaganial cuts. (see below)
        - I believe there is a note suggesting an 1/8" hole in the inner sleeve to wick away some heat
        - Do you think the figure intended to show a total of 4 rosette weld per splice?

        - Now about the gap - I'm about to go out and try the splice using 1/4" hole and 1/4" splice on 3/4" tubing. My attempts to use a 1/8" gap failed miserably; should be able to report something within the hour. - Mike
        Mike Horowitz
        Falls Church, Va
        BC-12D, N5188M
        TF - 14954

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        • #5
          Re: Long story, loose ends, happy ending

          Mike,

          Some of the diagrams show 4 rosettes and others only show two. A couple of the diagrams have notes about omitting the rosettes if the inner tube fits tightly. I would think more is better, but maybe not. I am sure your IA can give some input on that.

          I suggest talking to people that have replaced a LOT of tubes. I am sure there are many little "tricks of the trade" that you can't read about in a book.
          Richard Pearson
          N43381
          Fort Worth, Texas

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