Beacon help

[Buck]

I'd like to do some night flying next weekend, but T-Rex only has nav lights

Can put any old beacon from A/C Spruce up there? (probably not)

Is there an approved beacon for a '46 BC12D? (Hopefully)

Thanks!

[lktiller]

Beacon not required on old planes built with only nav lights.
Unless you are looking for more safety measures. SEE AND BE SEEN!

[Buck]

Thanks lktiller,

Is this true even if it was first wired in 1999 as a Harer/Gilberti restoration?

[Greg Bockelman]

I respectfully have to disagree with the above answer. Please take a look at 14CFR part 91.205, specifically (c)(3). That section states that an anticollision light system is required on all US registered civil aircraft. If someone can quote me chapter and verse where this does not apply to older aircraft, I would appreciate it. I have not found any exception to the above referenced regulation.

[Buck]

That's what I saw too Greg

[lktiller]

----I'm alooking-----
Greg, don't apologize for disagreeing with me! I'm here to learn. (and also jerk a few chains!)

Somebody pull me out of this hole!!!

This subject has come up before and I didn't record the numbers. May be in part 23.
Concerns aircraft mfg before a certain date. And grandfathered by type certificate.
At the risk of opening another can 'o worms, this also includes the section where no transponder or radio is required UNDER class B. (only if the a'cft was mfg'ed before a certain date)

Anyone ---- What happened to the fellow that gave floatplane lessons out west? Seattle? He was extremely knowledgeable on the regs.

Hmmm? I was on a web page that had a searchable engine for the regs. Disappeared for some reason.

[Ron Greene]

Dave Wiley is the seaplane instructor in Portland OR. His name is on the members list but you are right haven't heard from him in a while.
Ron Greene

[Greg Bockelman]

Originally posted by lktiller
----I'm alooking-----

This subject has come up before and I didn't record the numbers. May be in part 23.
Concerns aircraft mfg before a certain date. And grandfathered by type certificate.
At the risk of opening another can 'o worms, this also includes the section where no transponder or radio is required UNDER class B. (only if the a'cft was mfg'ed before a certain date)

Here's what I think I know about this. Before a certian date. (that date I don't know) a becon/anticollision system was not required for airplane certification. All that means was that the system was not required to be installed to fly the airplane. That does not, however, eliminate the need for the system under 91.205 (c). It still needs the anticollision lighting to fly at night.

As the song goes, "That's my story, and I'm stickin to it!" until proven wrong.

[yerich109]

my 2 cents

My understanding is that with nav lights only, we are allowed to fly after sunset, but not after civil twilight (whatever that is(dark?)).

Basically Nav lights give you an extra 45 minutes of flight time for the prettiest part of the day. Anticollision (beacon) is required to fly after civil twilight (dark).

[Homsie]

I'd say its pretty clear..you need to have an anticollison light.

§ 91.205 Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.


c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following instruments and equipment are required:

(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section.

(2) Approved position lights.

(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made.

[Buck]

Anyone know if there are any STC's required?

Thanks Again!

[Buck]

I'll need to go back and look again to see if the Harer/Gilberti covers this.......

[Garry Crookham]

Buck

Some type of approved data will be required to install a beacon on your aircraft. The type certificate data for your Taylorcraft could be checked to see if any beacons are listed and if so that beacon could be installed with just a logbook entry. I haven't looked at the type certificate data in quite a while and don't remember if any beacons are listed (the type certificate data is on the Taylorcraft website or go to faa.gov). Lighting manufacturers such as Whelen or Grimes may have a beacon, or strobe that has received an STC allowing the installation on a Taylorcraft. There is an STC listing for Taylorcrafts on the FAA website (www.faa.gov). You could also request a field approval from the FAA for the installation of a beacon (if someone has a form 337 that has been approved for the installation of a beacon on a T-craft that would help).
Hope this info helps....let me know if you need more data.

Garry Crookham
N5112M
Tulsa

[Buck]

Thank you Garry. That's plenty to work with for awhile!

[Howard Wilson]

WELLLL,
The way part 91.205 (c) could be read goes like this:

" (3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S. registered civil aircraft." " Anticollision light systems initially installed after August 11, 1971 on aircraft for which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971,"
< that's most of our old T-craft type certificates, ATC #696 8-24-38, ATC #699 9-19-38, and ATC #700 9-22-38. And if you haven't installed one yet they are still talking about you here. > "must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation white." < let's look at the applicability of these numbered parts:
Part 23: " s/s23.1 Applicability.
(a) This part prescribes airworthiness standards for the [issue] of type certificates, and [changes] to those type certificates, for airplanes in the normal, utility, acrobatic, and commuter categories."
the [ ] brackets are mine. Whoops looks like they missed the first round of type certificates issued back in 1938.

Part 25: "s/s 25.1 Applicability.
(a) This part prescribes airworthiness standards for the issue of type certificates and changes to those certificates, [for transport category airplanes]"


Parts 27 and 29 are dealing with rotorcraft. Although I saw a web sight where a guy converted his Cub into an autogyro.

So what some disinterested reasonable person might conclude is: That his T-craft with an ATC from 1938 which did not have an anticollision light installed before August 11,1971 must meet the criteria set forth in Parts 23, 25, 27, or 29. Which in most cases would not apply to that T-craft. Hmmmmmmmm
Just a thought. Howard